bio fuels

[(RIP) PLANK]

well you can run them on water! but hydrogen genorators is for a new thread :wink: :lol:

but basically all this bio diesel, veg oil etc, is IMHO just anothe divide and conquer tactic to stop us protesting about fuel costs by giving us something else to think about!

when we should be sticking together and doing something about it!

 

[Jocky]

I think there has been an opportunity missed with the strike at Grangemouth. If the other UK Refinary's were stopped from supplying fuel we could have been onto something.

The government is onto a surefire winner, the price of oil is at an all time high and they are coining the cash in from the oil companies and off motorists at the pumps. Sorry for going of topic, thats my rant for the day.

:smile:

 

[Chaz]

Thats the trouble with us british everyone you seem to talk too moans about the cost of fuel and as you say we should all stick together. But the sad thing is we dont. Look at when we had the fuel protest the attitude of some of the public was I got my fuel so Im ok Jack. The powers of B know this and they know we will just accept it and carry on forking out whatever the cost.

 

[elty001]

think i will leave this thread at that,as we seem to keep wandering off point,which is the mechanical problems associated with running on bio deisel.will try a svo mix in the warm weather and see how i get on.

 

[scooter]

elty001 i have been using svo now for a few months now as you can see by most posts £20 diesel to 3litres veg my advice if you start using svo and car wrongs funny replace fuel filter because the veg lifts the rubbish from fuel tank and puts it in filter after that you will not need to replace filter until next service or every 4-5000 miles that is what i have been doing

 

[elty001]

iv'e been told that by a few people,if i can get it at cost price will give it a go(have to talk nice to the cafe owner at work)as i have seen them unloading the 5 gallon drums of the stuff.will try a 20% mix to start with and see how i get on.

 

[Jocky]

iv'e been told that by a few people,if i can get it at cost price will give it a go(have to talk nice to the cafe owner at work)as i have seen them unloading the 5 gallon drums of the stuff.will try a 20% mix to start with and see how i get on.

The Mechanical problems you could run into are.
1, Fuel pump wear and failure
2, Choked injectors.
3, Choked Piston rings.

Derv and Bio lubricate the pump, SVO does not.

None of the above is good for your engine :roll:

SVO is full of glycerene (soap), when you convert it to Biodiesel thats what is removed.

So its the old saying you pay your money and take your chances.

:smile:

 

[elty001]

bio fuel

thanks for that,the pump was the main concern i had as svo is a lot thicker than derv,i have seen the glycerine that has been drained off and left for a week.as you said soap. 8O its just a no win situation,pay through the nose for fuel or pay through the nose for road tax to leave your car at home :evil:

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i know its off topic but i think our old british ability to stand up for ourselves died wih the miners stike! and sucessive governments have cashed in since

they keep blaiming the price of crude oil but for every penny a litre the diesle goes up they rake in another penny tax, so they are benefiting by default.

I think go for it if you have the bottle, thing is like most of us I dont

 

[elty001]

its very tempting to just go for it but as they say in the doctor pepper advert whats the worst that can happen,which is what i'm trying to find out,if anyone running a t2 on homemade bio fuel has encountered any or all of the problems they keep telling me about :?:

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

if you check all the forums most people seem to have bypassed biodiesle in favour of straight vegetable oil there are things to take into account

if you make biodiesel i think you should be paying road fuel tax and as gego said it is allready hardly worth it cost wise

and with used oil i htink the cooking porcess chemicaly alters the oil acidity etc which is somehting you just can't account for when it comes to wear on fuel pump seals etc.

I think if i were going to do it i would buy an old peugeout, and another for spares cheap and cheerful and do it that way, if your car is important to you and expensive to fix i wouldnt do it.

 

[elty001]

have been looking on a bio fuel forum and like you say they are all running cheap motors so if things do go wrong its not to costly to repair,but that sort of defies the point as the whole point is to save money not buy an old ratter and see what happens,and have to spend time messing about with an old shed,time i dont really have or could be better spent on my t2.on the upside have found a filling station thats fixed its price on derv at £1.12 ltr for now :!: :!:

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

thats a good price - what am i mad, whats the world coming too when we think 112 is a good price, for a gallon yes!

its just a bit less of a rip off :lol:

but i htinlk what we all want wih alternative fuels is some one to say 'yes its fine go for it' but no one dies, and the lack of positive replies speaks volumes!

 

[Jocky]

As I said it was the cost and space required to make biodiesel that put me off. If you have space its not hard to make if you don't mind working with toxic chemicals (methoxide) methanol and caustic soda. I sure you've researched the process, transesterification of the oil
As plank says if you use old chippy oil you have acid problems, where the bio needs to be washed and dried. If you make a still you can recover most of the methanol from the glycerine and you'll never need to buy soap again. hahaahaha

If the biodiesel is made right it is better for your engine as the cetane number is higher and it lubricates the pump, but you have to mix it in small quantities to start as it is a solvent which dissolves all the wax from your fuel tank and lines. Once all the wax is gone you can run on 100% bio, thats why garages only sell it at 5% bio to 95% Derv, any higher and your fuel filter will choke in 2 minutes.

I was tempted to start mixing in SVO, but thought better of it when guys were saying the level in their sumps was rising. I don't think SVO in the sump will do any good to your big ends etc.

:smile:

 

[elty001]

will have to give it some serious thought and work out the costs and do a bit more research before i make a final decision,its all about money in the end but if its not cost effective then theres not much point,i just like the idea of turning some ones waste oil into a reliable fuel source :? reliable being the key word.

 

[Chaz]

Bio-Fuels

Found this site. Makes interesting reading.

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#intro

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

wo tank system is popluar and allows use of many different oils, palm oil for example that sets like lard at low temperatures, but the other issues associated with veg oil i.e pump lubrication, pump seals, diluting sump oil etc, surely wont be changed by warming it up? essentialy if it is neat oil it is probably worse than mixing it with diesel.

I suppose it depends how long you want your engine to last!

Its like something from MAD MAX a future where fuel is so scarce pople will do anyhting to run a vehilce and constant repairs are the price you pay.

but for saving money, it still aint worth it, i think we are all just stuffed basically :?

 

[elty001]

tell me about it,the more i read the less convinced i am about trying it,we all know that the answer is out there (use the force)but the powers that be will have allready developed a perfectly good bio fuel but stand to lose too much money by letting us use it for ourselfs . :evil:

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i agree that we all need to use less fuels but a bit more carrot and a little less stick would be more to my taste.

Instead of trying to bully and price us of the raod try a bit of encouragment and educaiton, it took a lot of time for us to get where we are and they seem to want us all to change over night!

 

[elty001]

had a couple of books on the subject arrive yesterday,makes good reading,still don't really know weather or not to go for it but its looking like i will try :?: