4x4 Response & Raynet

[Deleted account DD]

Looking through many of the (extremely good :clap ) organisations that are linked to various profiles theres some interesting stuff.


One thing that I did notice is one group differentiates between major incident and other incidents. Serious question , no hidden agenda, to those involved, how is that set? what's the criteria?

Cheers

 

[Terranosaurus]

Major Incidents are declared by Category 1 responders - Police, Fire & Rescue, NHS, Local Goverment etc.

 

[Deleted account DD]

I know, I probably didnt word it well. :doh sorry

If your organisation is involved, apart from the volume of assets required there's not much difference in your work within your own sphere.

I was wondering why one group differentiated between "minor" and major incidents on the call outs.

There's not a lot of difference at all if you're in the middle of either and the definition of who is cat 1 or 2 or not at all isn't really an issue

 

[Terranosaurus]

Not really sure what you mean - theres definitely a difference betweeb a declared major incident and other stuff. Who is calling stuff minor incidents?

 

[Deleted account DD]

Calling a major incident means agencies respond at a heightened status, bring more to the show, demonstrates its more than the norm, yes.

But to an operational responder on the ground it doesn't matter that much if its been declared a major incident or not.

There's one 4x4 volunteer organisation differentiate for their members whether they want calling out for a minor incident, a major incident or both !!

Strikes me as bizzare and perhaps lacking in understanding of general matters, roles & responsibilities under cca. Probably not their fault and I am not decrying their work in any way.

I'm more than happy to be completely wrong in my understanding but as I said , struck me as bizzare :thumbs

 

[Terranosaurus]

Actually now you phrase it like that I think Y&L4x4Response have a question on their membership form relating to that yes.

We ask when people would be willing to be called out. Some people are either unwilling or unable (employers etc) to be called out to a relatively minor incident such as recovering a stuck vehicle etc where they are willing or able (employers say yes) to come out to a major incident where life or property is at stake.

I don't think the CCA has alot to say about such minor incidents - perhaps thats the cut off stuff falling under CCA and stuff that doesn't, but its a very pesonal thing, everyones circumstances are different. We find that to be a strength not a weakness, we have a large pool of people to call on who between them have widely differing circumstances, this means that at anyone time we have a good number of people available.

 

[Deleted account DD]

aahhh...I guessed it was that. I honestly wasn't sure which group it was, I just remembered seeing it

So for minor incident read more sort of "public assistance" rather than incident in cca terms ?

Whilst we're on:

How do you grade your attendances ? who evaluated prior to attendance ?

What I'm getting at there is Police send a first officer & initial commander, fire send a pda then decide.

I would have thought stuck vehicles were more down to vehicle recovery companies than the voluntary sector ?

You're right about the cca, in this context it defines emergency then major incident.

Thanks for your answers :thumbs

 

[Terranosaurus]

Yes stuck vehicle was just first thing that came into my head, thouh actually I beleive one of the Norfolk Response groups is the first line of recovery for their local ambulance service for anything that has left the road, be it only in a ditch, commercial recovery unless the real specialists aren't really that good at getting stuff out of fields and ditches whereas the 4x4 community do it every weekend for fun (well some do any way), specialists tend to not be available on a do it now basis as they may well be doing another job riht then. Anyway I digress. But no we wouldn't go out to joe public stuck somewhere unless requested to by Police etc, we did remove a couple of vehicles off scarborough marine drive during the storm surge for instance.

A call is handled by a "Contoller", (I'm one), these will designate a team leader for on the ground but in many cases this will be supperflous really as Responders will often end up working direct under who ever called. For instance I went to Grimsby during the floods of 2007 and never saw another responder till the very end of the day when I was releive. I turned up at the designated Police station on from then on I was at the disposal of whoever wanted me/I was asigned to. Ended up patrolling flooded estates on a hearts and minds type excercise and then acting as a road block to prevent the local 4x4s causing more damage by driving through the floods causing big waves.

The same happened in the recent snow incidents in Lincs and East Yorks, I was controller and called the 13 responders out, gave them details etc but once they got to scene beyond reporting in to me they were there and then they were leaving the were in the control of the officers on the ground. I then waited till everyone was home safe and sound before standing down myself.

The controller (possibly in concert with other controllers) makes the call as to whether we should deploy, if its a Cat 1 we almost certainly would, in other circumstance we might not or might elect to clear it through a Cat1 agency first. For instance we recovered a vehicle from the Humber foreshore which was below the high water mark one time.

Other callouts that are more than Public Assistance or Good Samaritan type acts but not a major incidents have included, assisting Vets and British Marine Divers Assc to access Spurn Point and a stricken seal. Recovering Humber Rescue when they got their RIB on trailer stuck on Humber Foreshore etc.

 

[jims-terrano]

Hi Dave please also remember that RAYNET are Communications, we can set up radio's for voice and data almost anywhere from a vehicle or a building to a field in the middle of nowhere. We as RAYNET controllers do not make the decision to call out, it's the local authorities Emergency Planning Officers or "User Services" ie the Police or other emergency services.
We can often be found helping out at local events such as shows or fun runs providing comms.

Hope this gives you a little info about RAYNET.

Jim T

 

[Deleted account DD]

Thanks for the replies,

T'sauras, when you say "clear it through a cat I" do you have a presence at bronze / silver or a liaison in place ?

That would seem a good option as opposed to ad hoc deployment on the say so of one agency alone?

Theres also cat 2's who may need to request your deployment such as a utility service and if youre in isolation from a co ordination point of view theres a problem.

All interesting stuff :thumbs

 

[Deleted account DD]

Hi Dave please also remember that RAYNET are Communications, we can set up radio's for voice and data almost anywhere from a vehicle or a building to a field in the middle of nowhere. We as RAYNET controllers do not make the decision to call out, it's the local authorities Emergency Planning Officers or "User Services" ie the Police or other emergency services.
We can often be found helping out at local events such as shows or fun runs providing comms.

Hope this gives you a little info about RAYNET.

Jim T

Thanks Jim :thumbs when are you getting airwaves?..........I wouldnt bother to be honest I like mobiles better