2 Stroke Oil in your Diesel

[zippy656]

i found there theres a patrol running 95%oil 5%rug..

 

[patbhoy]

i found there theres a patrol running 95%oil 5%rug..

Found that one, its biodiesel he is running and not svo.

 

[Adz]

The worst it will do is shag ya pump i'd of thought...

Just try 5 ltrs & slowly increase...

Can always add a small amount of petrol to thin it...

 

[patbhoy]

I've doing my sums and reckon with the low mileage i do, i would only save around £200 a year.
Dont feel its really worth the hassle, think i'll stick with diesel.

 

[Adz]

Wise choice if its not clear on possible damage :thumbs

 

[patbhoy]

Wise choice if its not clear on possible damage :thumbs

I think I will give the 2 stroke as an additive a go, I've read no bad reports on that and your only mixing 200ml per tank of diesel.

 

[Deleted account DD]

Interesting this alternative fuel business.

Id like to clear up a couple of points though.

The dye for red diesel is added at the distribution centre. It is just that, dye. its not got any magic properties nor does it cause any reactions in an engine and if it is topped up with non red it will gradually dilute and disappear to the point where it cannot be detected by dipping. Thats straight from the horses mouth.
Checked up on it some time ago.

Also it is technically/chemically very easy to remove the dye. Labour wise its heavy going and the potential for contaminants getting into your engine very high. Diesel washing plants are getting (or certainly used to be) busted all the time :thumb2

 

[briggie]

Interesting this alternative fuel business.

Id like to clear up a couple of points though.

The dye for red diesel is added at the distribution centre. It is just that, dye. its not got any magic properties nor does it cause any reactions in an engine and if it is topped up with non red it will gradually dilute and disappear to the point where it cannot be detected by dipping. Thats straight from the horses mouth.
Checked up on it some time ago.

Also it is technically/chemically very easy to remove the dye. Labour wise its heavy going and the potential for contaminants getting into your engine very high. Diesel washing plants are getting (or certainly used to be) busted all the time :thumb2

isnt they dye green in ireland ? . im sure i read that somewhere , or was someone extracting the urine ?

 

[patbhoy]

isnt they dye green in ireland ? . im sure i read that somewhere , or was someone extracting the urine ?

Dont you tink it would be this colour begorra:lol

 

[wildbri]

I have been putting two stroke oil in my tank for some time, I have posted on here about it. Whether it has made any difference I cannot say. I have been using a sunflower oil mix ( 83p l
from ASDA) making the vehicle abit lumpy on start up but running ok. Put some in the fridge and then the freezer, fridge oil ok but the freezer oil turned to the texture of margarine but the its very cold in there as expected. regards bri

 

[rayf3262]

As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

 

[Deleted account DD]

As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

Correct (had no idea what the chemical name is)but it does not remain in the system visible for dipping. It effectively gets flushed out and as far as dipping is concerned it never existed. It is also pretty easily removed by certain readily available chemicals

Theres so much bullshit and myth out there about everything from permanent marking through to radioactive isotopes that cling to the internal metal work.

I asked the hypothetical question of what happens if I buy a vehicle thats been ran on red then take it back on the road on legit fuel. The answer is quite simply that after a fairly short throughput of diesel (not going to tell you exactly how much cos Ive got this from the right side of the fence ) the red never existed.

 

[makeitfit]

They do dipping round here boss, and not just the sheep
I've personaly donated my time for a dip in a laybye
Grrrr, jobs worths :doh

 

[solarman216]

Correct (had no idea what the chemical name is)but it does not remain in the system visible for dipping. It effectively gets flushed out and as far as dipping is concerned it never existed. It is also pretty easily removed by certain readily available chemicals

Theres so much bullshit and myth out there about everything from permanent marking through to radioactive isotopes that cling to the internal metal work.

I asked the hypothetical question of what happens if I buy a vehicle thats been ran on red then take it back on the road on legit fuel. The answer is quite simply that after a fairly short throughput of diesel (not going to tell you exactly how much cos Ive got this from the right side of the fence ) the red never existed.

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

 

[rayf3262]

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

yes, all true but you "self declare" what is used for propulsion vs. what is used for heating, power generation etc....

 

[Derek]

if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zippy656]

best go to them and point it out..

other wise best change tanks

 

[Deleted account DD]

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

Cant see that swap as a problem at all in any way shape or form. You have an instant unambiguous and clear defence to the tank showing red. However they MAY have you by the goolies down the line because all they have to do is look at the shade of red compared to the engine running hours. ie no or zero hours since switch over, no problem red being present. 500 hours and unlikely it would still be "bright" red due to throughput and dilution.

Concensus of opinion is fine but it sounds like pump and tank suppliers would make a few bob out of that nifty piece of scaremongering

My comments on enforcement are based entirely (well almost) on info from the individuals carrying doing just that for HMRC at the roadside. We play nicely together regularly. We have to living in one of the busiest chemical industry areas (including petrochemicals) in the country

 

[Deleted account DD]

best go to them and point it out..

other wise best change tanks

read my post before the panic sets in and you start changing tanks and other bollocks :doh

 

[Deleted account DD]

if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

The circumstances of how it is dealt with is at the discretion of the enforcement officer. If the circumstances arise you have described, say as youre driving it back from the auction, other checks are available through via dvla to mention just one.

Its a classic case of if youve not got anything to hide and have completed the paperwork as youre supposed to it may just cover your butt :thumbs