Bloody Health & Safety

lacroupade · 28-04-2010, 11:01

No respect for people who died for their country - dozens of monuments laid on their backs in Brecon cemetery, including this one for my great uncle who died in a flying accident WW1 and his mother (my grandmother), who was buried with him later.

Bloody thing was solid as a rock last time I visited a year or so ago.....and no plans to repair it either, so that a fairly rare RFC crest carved in marble (very prone to frost damage) is now exposed to long-term damage.

I'll have it put back of course but the cemetery looks like a bloody bomb site now - this is what we pay our council tax for.

briggie · 28-04-2010, 11:04

are we allowed to say phuckin barstewards they should be shot or sent to afghanistan like our brave men and women ( my son included , hes due to be posted shortly ) ........ twats oops sorry

TONUP · 28-04-2010, 13:17

They have done this in a cemetry local to me. The reason?

They could potentially fall on child. I haven't checked lately, but the places where we honour the dead are not officially playgrounds and just maybe the parents could take some responsibility.... Sorry started to sound like Mr Angry there... Rant Over!

Regards

clivvy · 28-04-2010, 13:22

i'm sorry what? they have purposefully removed the cross and laid it down? without your consent? I'm sorry but its the first i've heard of this, so dont know the facts, but if it were me, i'd be beyond anger and fury, and be kicking the doors down at the local council office. how dare they dis respect the dead liek this? the friggin COUNCIL, who BANG ON ABOUT THE "YOUTH OF TODAY BEING VANDALS" and they are doign it themselves? disgrace, i dont mean to over react, its just i cannot stand dis respect of any kind, i just cant tolerate it.

let me know if you need a hand putting it back together.

lacroupade · 28-04-2010, 15:03

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Originally Posted by clivvy

i'm sorry what? they have purposefully removed the cross and laid it down? without your consent? I'm sorry but its the first i've heard of this, so dont know the facts, but if it were me, i'd be beyond anger and fury, and be kicking the doors down at the local council office. how dare they dis respect the dead liek this? the friggin COUNCIL, who BANG ON ABOUT THE "YOUTH OF TODAY BEING VANDALS" and they are doign it themselves? disgrace, i dont mean to over react, its just i cannot stand dis respect of any kind, i just cant tolerate it.

let me know if you need a hand putting it back together.

Apparently its been quite widespread but most of us didn't know. Seems there have in fact been five deaths in recent years.....one of them apparently a bloke pissed coming home from the pub who took a shortcut (to heaven!) across the cemetery, and the other four were kids climbing on gravestones....as you say, doing stuff they shouldn't have been doing, so no different in my mind to playing on the railway, main road etc..., parents today don't seem to teach their little 'darlings' a thing do they!

But you'd think they'd do something, especially where a war grave is concerned. Still, don't mind paying, it just sucks that some knobhead is creating a job for himself by panicking about anything that moves (or doesn't!)....

clivvy · 28-04-2010, 15:25

It's infuriatingly beurocratic nonsense. Oh let's just take apart grave stones shall we, and while we are at it encase cars in sponge and keep planes attached to long wires or perhaps let's just repair the damage done and get on with life?

Deleted account DD · 01-05-2010, 11:35

Isnt it just a load of bollocks. We are so bloody risk adverse the next few generations will be afraid to go out without their cotton wool overcoats.

Its very sad to see gravestones laid down like that and Im quite suprised Brecon of all places with its military connections and history would do that

I was in Brecon about a year and a half ago and took time out to gor round the museum

superb.

extreme-4x4 · 01-05-2010, 12:39

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Originally Posted by daved

Isnt it just a load of bollocks. We are so bloody risk adverse the next few generations will be afraid to go out without their cotton wool overcoats.

Its very sad to see gravestones laid down like that and Im quite suprised Brecon of all places with its military connections and history would do that

I was in Brecon about a year and a half ago and took time out to gor round the museum

superb.

its funny i watched harry brown the other night, you know the michael caine film. when you think living like thats reality for millions of people . the likes of the little bastards in that film . actually make the nice people of society's life hell .

and then they cry health and safety , or where's my human rights.

so your right dave Isnt it just a load of bollocks.

strange... watching that actually made me feel better, with all my problems going on . it reminded me just how shit some peoples lives really are and what they have to live with every day.

with all this election stuff going on . with the Tories labour , lib dems. even the bnp.

why the hell has no one started the justice party you know someone who will actually give the people of our fair land some well earned justice.. forget all this your not british or lets bail banks out and all the other meaningless shite... how many's peoples lives are ruined by little barstards.... how many days off work are caused by little barstards... how much do little barstards cost our society

was i ranting ?

wildbri · 01-05-2010, 17:24

Its all down to lack of discipline and respect, two news stories this week amongst the election babble. one the teacher who was driven to maddness by the treatment he recieved from ill disciplined, disrespectful and down right disruptive pupils and the other story about some quango in Europe demanding that the UK stops allowing parents to smack naughty children. I dont mean beating or treating children badly but a sharp smack to let then know that bad behaviour will not be tolerated. Before some one tells me violence besets violence I will say I was brought up during the second world where the violence from our enemies to men, women and children was almost unimaginable and where disrespect and bad behaviour to parents, teachers neighbour or police resulted in a smack, cane or slipper (or if criminal behaviour the BIRCH) . Most children and youths were mainly well behaved. Teachers have told me that they are not allowed to shout at their pupils as it may "upset them", no bother about the rest of us being upset. I have told off unruly children and the look on their faces it would seem that they have never been told not to misbehave. regards bri

Terranoman · 02-05-2010, 07:45

Not a h&s freak but I would not blame h&s for this. What you have probably found is that some of the people hurt or family of the ones killed have sued the councils. So in order to protect their law suits they lay down the stones so the problem is no longer there.

solarman216 · 02-05-2010, 07:53

Yes it has happened here in Bexhill, although the reason given is "They might fall and hurt someone" from what I have seen it would have taken a 14 stone guy to push them over, "Fall???", Rick

lacroupade · 02-05-2010, 09:49

Well its going to cost me £240 to have the thing raised again, which I am next week - apparently it needs drilling and fixing with two stainless steel spigots and then epoxied to the plinth.

I thought I'd take the opportunity of putting a tablet down for my mother who died a couple of years ago (my old man scattered her ashes and didn't bother with a memorial) - the grave is that of her grandmother and great uncle - bloody cheeky sods at the council want another £75 fee for the privilege (after I've paid to have the headstone raised again!), so guess theres going to be some 'discussion' next week!

paulp · 02-05-2010, 11:54

I travel all over europe to visit ww1 and ww2 graves and memorials(sad i know but there are great museums and i get a chance to ride my Harley)

Without exception the cemetries are immaculately kept and the kids would not dream or dare to vandalise the graves.

You have paid for the privilege to have a marked grave and the people who you pay to take care of it have caused the damage and the distress of seeing the memorial stone dismounted NOW want you to pay to put it right.

F.... off they are having a laugh, speak to the Royal british legion, SSAFA, regiment, squadron or Corp association and any other organisation that have a vested interest in preserving the memory of our fallen heroes. I am especially surprised to see this in the Brecon area as it was stated in a previous post have a large conection withthe armed forces community.

hape you get it sorted

paulp

Deleted account DD · 02-05-2010, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terranoman

Not a h&s freak but I would not blame h&s for this. What you have probably found is that some of the people hurt or family of the ones killed have sued the councils. So in order to protect their law suits they lay down the stones so the problem is no longer there.

I tend to agree but H&s is meant to assist not obstruct or allow a hiding place.

In the case of gravestones falling on people I would suggest on many occasions its either the injured party should have been more careful because the council maintained them properly or the council didnt maintain them and the ip has a justified complaint.

Either way h&s helps provide the guidleines but in this case it seems someone is hiding in the cupboard under the h&s umbrella

sidsid06 · 02-05-2010, 18:50

all i can say about the matter is, i feel that all the good guys and girls who fort in all the wars for what!

for this country to allow the little shits every ware distroy and unset people... their is just no respect in this country any more

i do wonder why all thos people who have died for this country for what reason!!!

to die and fight for great britian.... hmmm not any more,
not even half of the country are british any more!!!

my grandad was in the r a f and fort of this country sure he turn in his grave if he could see what it has got to!!

02-05-2010, 07:53	#11
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,428	Councils & Headstones Yes it has happened here in Bexhill, although the reason given is "They might fall and hurt someone" from what I have seen it would have taken a 14 stone guy to push them over, "Fall???", Rick

28-04-2010, 11:04	#2
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	are we allowed to say phuckin barstewards they should be shot or sent to afghanistan like our brave men and women ( my son included , hes due to be posted shortly ) ........ twats oops sorry

28-04-2010, 13:17	#3
TONUP Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 755	They have done this in a cemetry local to me. The reason? They could potentially fall on child. I haven't checked lately, but the places where we honour the dead are not officially playgrounds and just maybe the parents could take some responsibility.... Sorry started to sound like Mr Angry there... Rant Over! Regards

28-04-2010, 13:22	#4
clivvy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Huddersfield Vehicle: Terrano 03 LWB Posts: 6,947	i'm sorry what? they have purposefully removed the cross and laid it down? without your consent? I'm sorry but its the first i've heard of this, so dont know the facts, but if it were me, i'd be beyond anger and fury, and be kicking the doors down at the local council office. how dare they dis respect the dead liek this? the friggin COUNCIL, who BANG ON ABOUT THE "YOUTH OF TODAY BEING VANDALS" and they are doign it themselves? disgrace, i dont mean to over react, its just i cannot stand dis respect of any kind, i just cant tolerate it. let me know if you need a hand putting it back together.

28-04-2010, 15:25	#6
clivvy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Huddersfield Vehicle: Terrano 03 LWB Posts: 6,947	It's infuriatingly beurocratic nonsense. Oh let's just take apart grave stones shall we, and while we are at it encase cars in sponge and keep planes attached to long wires or perhaps let's just repair the damage done and get on with life?

01-05-2010, 11:35	#7
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Isnt it just a load of bollocks. We are so bloody risk adverse the next few generations will be afraid to go out without their cotton wool overcoats. Its very sad to see gravestones laid down like that and Im quite suprised Brecon of all places with its military connections and history would do that I was in Brecon about a year and a half ago and took time out to gor round the museum superb.

01-05-2010, 17:24	#9
wildbri Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: south lakeland Vehicle: terrano 1997 tdi Posts: 940	Its all down to lack of discipline and respect, two news stories this week amongst the election babble. one the teacher who was driven to maddness by the treatment he recieved from ill disciplined, disrespectful and down right disruptive pupils and the other story about some quango in Europe demanding that the UK stops allowing parents to smack naughty children. I dont mean beating or treating children badly but a sharp smack to let then know that bad behaviour will not be tolerated. Before some one tells me violence besets violence I will say I was brought up during the second world where the violence from our enemies to men, women and children was almost unimaginable and where disrespect and bad behaviour to parents, teachers neighbour or police resulted in a smack, cane or slipper (or if criminal behaviour the BIRCH) . Most children and youths were mainly well behaved. Teachers have told me that they are not allowed to shout at their pupils as it may "upset them", no bother about the rest of us being upset. I have told off unruly children and the look on their faces it would seem that they have never been told not to misbehave. regards bri

02-05-2010, 07:45	#10
Terranoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Vehicle: Terrano II Posts: 622	Not a h&s freak but I would not blame h&s for this. What you have probably found is that some of the people hurt or family of the ones killed have sued the councils. So in order to protect their law suits they lay down the stones so the problem is no longer there.

02-05-2010, 09:49	#12
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	Well its going to cost me £240 to have the thing raised again, which I am next week - apparently it needs drilling and fixing with two stainless steel spigots and then epoxied to the plinth. I thought I'd take the opportunity of putting a tablet down for my mother who died a couple of years ago (my old man scattered her ashes and didn't bother with a memorial) - the grave is that of her grandmother and great uncle - bloody cheeky sods at the council want another £75 fee for the privilege (after I've paid to have the headstone raised again!), so guess theres going to be some 'discussion' next week!

02-05-2010, 11:54	#13
paulp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: essex Vehicle: nissan mistral 27td Posts: 1,043	I travel all over europe to visit ww1 and ww2 graves and memorials(sad i know but there are great museums and i get a chance to ride my Harley) Without exception the cemetries are immaculately kept and the kids would not dream or dare to vandalise the graves. You have paid for the privilege to have a marked grave and the people who you pay to take care of it have caused the damage and the distress of seeing the memorial stone dismounted NOW want you to pay to put it right. F.... off they are having a laugh, speak to the Royal british legion, SSAFA, regiment, squadron or Corp association and any other organisation that have a vested interest in preserving the memory of our fallen heroes. I am especially surprised to see this in the Brecon area as it was stated in a previous post have a large conection withthe armed forces community. hape you get it sorted paulp

02-05-2010, 18:50	#15
sidsid06 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: gloucestershire Vehicle: terrano2 2.7td Posts: 291	all i can say about the matter is, i feel that all the good guys and girls who fort in all the wars for what! for this country to allow the little shits every ware distroy and unset people... their is just no respect in this country any more i do wonder why all thos people who have died for this country for what reason!!! to die and fight for great britian.... hmmm not any more, not even half of the country are british any more!!! my grandad was in the r a f and fort of this country sure he turn in his grave if he could see what it has got to!!