WVO

Terranoman · 22-08-2009, 09:04

Morning,

I run my T2 on Veg Oil from Tesco at 85p per litre plus some diesel. Bit better than the £1.07 p/l at the local garages. I don't do anything fancy to the oil, just pour it in.

If I was to use waste oil would I need to do anything else other than just strain it?

I've seen all these fan-dangled machines on ebay and the www that processes the WVO but is it really needed?

All info gratefully received.

22-08-2009, 09:14

hi
do you need to do any alterations to run on veg oil?
may be a stupid question,but thought i would ask
thanks
stefan

tezzer · 22-08-2009, 09:15

it's a bit more involved than just straining the oil, i know someone who makes his own bio diesel and you have heat it, strain it through micron filters, and add chemicals etc, just stick with the cooking oil for now, see if you can locate a bio-diesel supplier in your area.

Terranoman · 22-08-2009, 09:16

I've not needed to.

tezzer · 22-08-2009, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefan

hi
do you need to do any alterations to run on veg oil?
may be a stupid question,but thought i would ask
thanks
stefan

i've run our truck on straight cooking oil and it was ok, during the winter i run it 50/50 though, at the moment im on bio-diesel & 100% and it seems to run fine.

Terranoman · 22-08-2009, 09:18

Cheers Tezzer. Tried looking for Bio suppliers only found one locally but never return calls and email so I don't think they are in business any more.

Terranosaurus · 22-08-2009, 09:46

You can run on WVO without doing the full conversion to Bio but you do need to strain it - filter it would be a better term as just running it through mess or bit of cloth to get the big stuff ot isn't enough. You also need to dry it as there will be a fairly high water content. This si done by settling the water out whilst heating it gently (to thin the oil).

I see some of the WVO that comes into the plae I buy Bio and when you see whats in it and the way some of it turns solid when the temperature even dips to single figures let alone below zero, you'd not be so confident about putting it in your car.

Sure people do it but to do it properly needs a proper set up. If I had a corner of a barn somewhere to set up I probably would but the mess and set up expense just don't warrant it at the moment for me. Not when I an but duty and VAT paid Bio at 91.9p/L - its all going up with another duty rise though folks.

Adz · 22-08-2009, 09:47

I run mine on diesel from work at 88p or from the SVO station just down the road at 86p

Recycled SVO is heated & strained,not a simple DIY job

I dived in and went 100% SVO with no problems

No modifications needed

tezzer · 22-08-2009, 10:09

the guy i know who was making his own bio-diesel (he's a chef) was getting plenty of waste oil from his contacts,but now he is buying bio @ 1000lts at a time as it's far easier and cheaper than making his own, at this time he is paying 0.60p per lt delivered, and im running on it ok, only problem is it goes up and down with the price of crude oil.

Adz · 22-08-2009, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by tezzer

Only problem is it goes up and down with the price of crude oil.

It normally moves up & down by a couple pence every week

Deleted account DD · 22-08-2009, 21:09

Bio is relatively easy to make. But speaking with a large scale producer and a methanol producer I would question if it was worth the risk diy

Back on topic...............

You can run the terrano on svo with no mods. Perhaps for the colder weather a small heater pre pump and consider something like millers (£7 from my local factor and last a while) to clean and up the cetane a tad.

I practised for 10 000 miles what I preach with no problems at all except a chip shop smell behind me. I tried all variances of mix from 100% diesel to 100%svo with no problems or noticeable differences

Theoretically theres no reason why that wont work on prepared wvo.

However research (not experience) suggest giving WVO a miss. Its a different ball game.

Essentially the logic behind that advice which I was given from several sources is that filtering is a pain, separating is a pain and even then you could well end up with more h2o content as well as animal fats in the finished product.

Both are elements you could do with avoiding over the miles so again it comes to a cost saving v's risk to truck calculation.

Far better off beg steal or borrow a makro card (shouldnt be a problem via your place!!) which will give you a consistent source of svo around 75p a litre. Thats a decent balance between cost, risk and hassle

Deleted account DD · 22-08-2009, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

I run mine on diesel from work at 88p

well unless youre going to invite us in thats irrelevant to the question asked really isnt it. Still quite a bit more expensive than svo too

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

or from the SVO station just down the road at 86p

SVO station ? wtf is that? it sounds like a dragons den enterprise and again more expensive than other sources.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

Recycled SVO is heated & strained,not a simple DIY job

Its actually very easy , the kit costs and it takes time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

I dived in and went 100% SVO with no problems

So why do you still use diesel (as stated above) especially when its more than the svo to buy?

My daughter would say you sound like a very confused bunny. I'm not usually as polite.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

No modifications needed

You may not say that during winter. I presume you havent used 100% svo at a lower ambient temp due to your shorter term ownership ?

scott301004 · 22-08-2009, 21:39

well my astra van has now done 155k and the last 25 of thast has been on veg oil thats been filtered etc and then they add caustic soda and meths (apparentley).

I pay 80p per litre and hand on heart the van loves it and if I put it back on diesel I know the difference and would say its better on the veg oil.

Adz · 22-08-2009, 21:41

"daved"

well unless youre going to invite us in thats irrelevant to the question asked really isnt it. Still quite a bit more expensive than svo too

Your more than welcome.! Do you want directions.!

SVO station ? wtf is that? it sounds like a dragons den enterprise and again more expensive than other sources.

Well,it is what it says it is & cheaper than the pump prices for people that cant access makro.!

Its actually very easy , the kit costs and it takes time.

If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.!
The reason why people don't do it is the fact that it is pointless...

So why do you still use diesel (as stated above) especially when its more than the svo to buy?

Because of the hours i work & convenience.!

My daughter would say you sound like a very confused bunny. I'm not usually as polite.

Not confused & seeing as you always pick at my posts,why be polite.?

You may not say that during winter. I presume you haven't used 100% svo at a lower ambient temp due to your shorter term ownership ?

Obviously not seeing as this is my 1st diesel & have only owned it for 3 months so its not to hard to figure out that i haven't used it in the winter.!

But

Like oil,use thicker in the summer & thinner in the winter...

tezzer · 22-08-2009, 21:55

daved, reading your comments towards adz, it looks to me if you have a problem with him, if you have would'nt be more polite to "pm" him and have a word that way instead of airing your probs on here?, if it's because he has only been on here a few months and is now a mod, then you should contact bat21, but adz does get about to different venues and that can only be good for the club, and he's willing to get involved, and help people.

and before anyone starts im not having rant, just trying to nip a problem in the bud.

22-08-2009, 09:04	#1
Terranoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Vehicle: Terrano II Posts: 622	WVO Morning, I run my T2 on Veg Oil from Tesco at 85p per litre plus some diesel. Bit better than the £1.07 p/l at the local garages. I don't do anything fancy to the oil, just pour it in. If I was to use waste oil would I need to do anything else other than just strain it? I've seen all these fan-dangled machines on ebay and the www that processes the WVO but is it really needed? All info gratefully received.

22-08-2009, 09:14	#2
stefan Guest Posts: n/a	hi do you need to do any alterations to run on veg oil? may be a stupid question,but thought i would ask thanks stefan

22-08-2009, 09:15	#3
tezzer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: basildon essex Vehicle: transit camper van 1987 Posts: 2,829	it's a bit more involved than just straining the oil, i know someone who makes his own bio diesel and you have heat it, strain it through micron filters, and add chemicals etc, just stick with the cooking oil for now, see if you can locate a bio-diesel supplier in your area.

22-08-2009, 09:16	#4
Terranoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Vehicle: Terrano II Posts: 622	I've not needed to.

22-08-2009, 09:18	#6
Terranoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Vehicle: Terrano II Posts: 622	Cheers Tezzer. Tried looking for Bio suppliers only found one locally but never return calls and email so I don't think they are in business any more.

22-08-2009, 09:46	#7
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	You can run on WVO without doing the full conversion to Bio but you do need to strain it - filter it would be a better term as just running it through mess or bit of cloth to get the big stuff ot isn't enough. You also need to dry it as there will be a fairly high water content. This si done by settling the water out whilst heating it gently (to thin the oil). I see some of the WVO that comes into the plae I buy Bio and when you see whats in it and the way some of it turns solid when the temperature even dips to single figures let alone below zero, you'd not be so confident about putting it in your car. Sure people do it but to do it properly needs a proper set up. If I had a corner of a barn somewhere to set up I probably would but the mess and set up expense just don't warrant it at the moment for me. Not when I an but duty and VAT paid Bio at 91.9p/L - its all going up with another duty rise though folks.

22-08-2009, 09:47	#8
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	I run mine on diesel from work at 88p or from the SVO station just down the road at 86p Recycled SVO is heated & strained,not a simple DIY job I dived in and went 100% SVO with no problems No modifications needed

22-08-2009, 10:09	#9
tezzer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: basildon essex Vehicle: transit camper van 1987 Posts: 2,829	the guy i know who was making his own bio-diesel (he's a chef) was getting plenty of waste oil from his contacts,but now he is buying bio @ 1000lts at a time as it's far easier and cheaper than making his own, at this time he is paying 0.60p per lt delivered, and im running on it ok, only problem is it goes up and down with the price of crude oil.

22-08-2009, 21:09	#11
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Bio is relatively easy to make. But speaking with a large scale producer and a methanol producer I would question if it was worth the risk diy Back on topic............... You can run the terrano on svo with no mods. Perhaps for the colder weather a small heater pre pump and consider something like millers (£7 from my local factor and last a while) to clean and up the cetane a tad. I practised for 10 000 miles what I preach with no problems at all except a chip shop smell behind me. I tried all variances of mix from 100% diesel to 100%svo with no problems or noticeable differences Theoretically theres no reason why that wont work on prepared wvo. However research (not experience) suggest giving WVO a miss. Its a different ball game. Essentially the logic behind that advice which I was given from several sources is that filtering is a pain, separating is a pain and even then you could well end up with more h2o content as well as animal fats in the finished product. Both are elements you could do with avoiding over the miles so again it comes to a cost saving v's risk to truck calculation. Far better off beg steal or borrow a makro card (shouldnt be a problem via your place!!) which will give you a consistent source of svo around 75p a litre. Thats a decent balance between cost, risk and hassle

22-08-2009, 21:39	#13
scott301004 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Burton on trent Vehicle: Range Rover DSE Posts: 242	well my astra van has now done 155k and the last 25 of thast has been on veg oil thats been filtered etc and then they add caustic soda and meths (apparentley). I pay 80p per litre and hand on heart the van loves it and if I put it back on diesel I know the difference and would say its better on the veg oil.

22-08-2009, 21:41	#14
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	"daved" well unless youre going to invite us in thats irrelevant to the question asked really isnt it. Still quite a bit more expensive than svo too Your more than welcome.! Do you want directions.! SVO station ? wtf is that? it sounds like a dragons den enterprise and again more expensive than other sources. Well,it is what it says it is & cheaper than the pump prices for people that cant access makro.! Its actually very easy , the kit costs and it takes time. If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.! The reason why people don't do it is the fact that it is pointless... So why do you still use diesel (as stated above) especially when its more than the svo to buy? Because of the hours i work & convenience.! My daughter would say you sound like a very confused bunny. I'm not usually as polite. Not confused & seeing as you always pick at my posts,why be polite.? You may not say that during winter. I presume you haven't used 100% svo at a lower ambient temp due to your shorter term ownership ? Obviously not seeing as this is my 1st diesel & have only owned it for 3 months so its not to hard to figure out that i haven't used it in the winter.! But Like oil,use thicker in the summer & thinner in the winter...

22-08-2009, 21:55	#15
tezzer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: basildon essex Vehicle: transit camper van 1987 Posts: 2,829	daved, reading your comments towards adz, it looks to me if you have a problem with him, if you have would'nt be more polite to "pm" him and have a word that way instead of airing your probs on here?, if it's because he has only been on here a few months and is now a mod, then you should contact bat21, but adz does get about to different venues and that can only be good for the club, and he's willing to get involved, and help people. and before anyone starts im not having rant, just trying to nip a problem in the bud.