another extreme idea.... steering

extreme-4x4 · 04-07-2009, 15:59

ok having just bent my 6th steering idler

ive had a thought. what if you replace the steering idler with a second power steering pump (left hand drive of course)

could you connect them both to work together
or
would the main one drag the other one around
or
?????? ideas ??????

if it can be done ...you couldnt bend that if you wanted to, and it would make them pretty indestructable

any ideas anyone ????????

lacroupade · 04-07-2009, 16:11

just get a tank

extreme-4x4 · 05-07-2009, 22:31

anyone got any sensible ideas ?

Adz · 05-07-2009, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

anyone got any sensible ideas ?

Take 1 off the spare 4x4 if ya need 1

Have you tried my "angle iron" idea.?

Toolbox · 05-07-2009, 22:37

Is you steering idler still mounted in the original position or have you lowered it? What bit bends?

extreme-4x4 · 05-07-2009, 23:12

ok the idler is made up of 2 sections the bit that bolts to the chassis with 3 bolts .....and the bit that attaches to the relay bar

its the rod bit of the part that fits to the chassis that keeps bending

ive spoken to a few people who recon the theory of a second pump instead of an idler is very possible.... either piped up to work as 2 or keep the original as the pump and have the second on a closed circit and use it as a damper

any thoughts anyone.... bet toolbox knows the answer

Adz · 05-07-2009, 23:22

keep the original as the pump and have the second on a closed circit and use it as a damper

Would be a good idea i reckon

Toolbox · 05-07-2009, 23:54

Still not sure at what point it is bending but would making on of these http://www.purenissan.com/idler_arm_brace.htm not help.

Fitting another steering box seems a little extreme if not overcomplicated.

extreme-4x4 · 06-07-2009, 09:15

yes knew you could make something like that, terra showed me a download somewhere.

trouble is if i make one its going to cost a fair whack to get it made then id want it machine welded , not by the geezer down the road

yes i can see it working but i used to bend them with 31" tyres on, now im on 35" tyres it is bending with real ease.
seems to be when the steerring gets pulled out of my hand and it shoots round to full lock, it just bends in one hit.

had hoped the extra steering box will dampen it and prevent it jumping out of my hand and shooting to full lock with such force. as well as being 3-4 times thicker....

this theory is based on the fact ive never bent a steering box... it just made me think of another route

lacroupade · 06-07-2009, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

yes knew you could make something like that, terra showed me a download somewhere.

trouble is if i make one its going to cost a fair whack to get it made then id want it machine welded , not by the geezer down the road

yes i can see it working but i used to bend them with 31" tyres on, now im on 35" tyres it is bending with real ease.
seems to be when the steerring gets pulled out of my hand and it shoots round to full lock, it just bends in one hit.

had hoped the extra steering box will dampen it and prevent it jumping out of my hand and shooting to full lock with such force. as well as being 3-4 times thicker....

this theory is based on the fact ive never bent a steering box... it just made me think of another route

colin, seriously....its just a bit of cut plate, with two bends, three holes and half an inch of weld. It would cost twopence to get made up by a local engineering firm, might even be cheaper to get a few made up and sell them on.

Why not take them that photo and some measurements - nothing to lose in asking.....

Oh and don't forget to deduct the cost of six idler arms as well will you!

Adz · 06-07-2009, 21:23

Just 1 thing...

If you solve the problem by strengthening or customizing the near side,as annoying as it is,it might then bend or break a different more expensive part

lacroupade · 06-07-2009, 21:26

He'll be better when he passes his driving test LOL

Adz · 06-07-2009, 21:45

He needs to learn his approach angles...
From...
makeitfit...
1 speed...
Flat out...
Jump & clear the obsticle...
as long as you don't sit on your head

makeitfit · 06-07-2009, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

He needs to learn his approach angles...
From...
makeitfit...
1 speed...
Flat out...
Jump & clear the obsticle...
as long as you don't sit on your head

AY,

looking for some cheap bucket seats now

Also got a shed load less "bounce" now I've got proper suspension

Working on disslocating front ARB now

Adz · 06-07-2009, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeitfit

AY,

looking for some cheap bucket seats now

Also got a shed load less "bounce" now I've got proper suspension

Working on disslocating front ARB now

Cool

Mine will be with me by the weekend

04-07-2009, 15:59	#1
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	another extreme idea.... steering ok having just bent my 6th steering idler ive had a thought. what if you replace the steering idler with a second power steering pump (left hand drive of course) could you connect them both to work together or would the main one drag the other one around or ?????? ideas ?????? if it can be done ...you couldnt bend that if you wanted to, and it would make them pretty indestructable any ideas anyone ????????

04-07-2009, 16:11	#2
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	just get a tank

05-07-2009, 22:31	#3
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	anyone got any sensible ideas ?

05-07-2009, 22:37	#5
Toolbox Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cornwall Vehicle: Oh yes Posts: 1,968	Is you steering idler still mounted in the original position or have you lowered it? What bit bends?

05-07-2009, 23:12	#6
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	ok the idler is made up of 2 sections the bit that bolts to the chassis with 3 bolts .....and the bit that attaches to the relay bar its the rod bit of the part that fits to the chassis that keeps bending ive spoken to a few people who recon the theory of a second pump instead of an idler is very possible.... either piped up to work as 2 or keep the original as the pump and have the second on a closed circit and use it as a damper any thoughts anyone.... bet toolbox knows the answer

05-07-2009, 23:22	#7
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	keep the original as the pump and have the second on a closed circit and use it as a damper Would be a good idea i reckon

05-07-2009, 23:54	#8
Toolbox Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cornwall Vehicle: Oh yes Posts: 1,968	Still not sure at what point it is bending but would making on of these http://www.purenissan.com/idler_arm_brace.htm not help. Fitting another steering box seems a little extreme if not overcomplicated.

06-07-2009, 09:15	#9
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	yes knew you could make something like that, terra showed me a download somewhere. trouble is if i make one its going to cost a fair whack to get it made then id want it machine welded , not by the geezer down the road yes i can see it working but i used to bend them with 31" tyres on, now im on 35" tyres it is bending with real ease. seems to be when the steerring gets pulled out of my hand and it shoots round to full lock, it just bends in one hit. had hoped the extra steering box will dampen it and prevent it jumping out of my hand and shooting to full lock with such force. as well as being 3-4 times thicker.... this theory is based on the fact ive never bent a steering box... it just made me think of another route

06-07-2009, 21:23	#11
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	Just 1 thing... If you solve the problem by strengthening or customizing the near side,as annoying as it is,it might then bend or break a different more expensive part

06-07-2009, 21:26	#12
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	He'll be better when he passes his driving test LOL

06-07-2009, 21:45	#13
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	He needs to learn his approach angles... From... makeitfit... 1 speed... Flat out... Jump & clear the obsticle... as long as you don't sit on your head