In or out

solarman216 · 23-06-2016, 02:13

Please do not think for one minute that voting out will be instant or indeed achievable, there is no law that says the government has to follow what you vote, indeed it will take two years or more to exit due to crap rules set up on joining, France for instance said crap to these laws when we first joined and for those that remember, they burnt our lambs that were exported from the UK under the then new EU rules, been countless other irregularities since, they think that as we abide by the rules that they can still dictate for the next 2 years during exit negotiations, well I think we should do as the French do and that is as of Brexit say stuff em, but in reality are the BRITISH public going to say brexit ??????????????????????? I do not know, but unlike most of you out there I really do not give a stuff as I am immune from therm , night all on this very special day,Rick

Monaro Pete · 23-06-2016, 05:25

Out

elty001 · 23-06-2016, 07:05

Out!!
Let's try and make Britain great again

Monaro Pete · 23-06-2016, 07:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by elty001

Out!!
Let's try and make Britain great again

Good man

I agree. Let's hope it happens

RJL Services · 23-06-2016, 08:24

out too for me and the wife

don simon · 23-06-2016, 08:56

In.

elty001 · 23-06-2016, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monaro Pete

Good man

I agree. Let's hope it happens

Yep

makeitfit · 23-06-2016, 13:00

I was wondering when this thorny subject would pop up.
For what it's worth I'm in and here's why.
I know the EU is balloxed and overtly corrupt BUT the EU has brought peace to 28 member states. In Poland and Hungary the EU is seen as the last defence against their authoritarian governments. I don't think we should leave them alone.
Cooperation not Confrontation.
I live/love the beaches here where I live and the countryside I drive around in. None of those environments would be habitable if the EU hadn't forced UK govts to tidy up it's fookin mess.
As for immigrants well there we need to man up and play the game to the rules. So no cash in hand monkeys at 5 quid an hour shit. Pay the min wage.
Britain is no longer some land steeling Empire, it's hanging on the ruddy edge cause it's playing with the big boys at the moment. Nip out that school gate and the ruff kids will get us .
Love and peace

elty001 · 23-06-2016, 13:13

I don't really think it matters which way the vote goes,Governments will do what they feel is best whether we like it or not.
I think they should put a box of condoms through the letterbox with your voting card cos you are gonna get f****d either way

RJL Services · 23-06-2016, 15:24

very true

:l ol

don simon · 23-06-2016, 17:34

I've just had a long chat with my MD about the whole topic, very interesting stuff once you get into the business and economic side of things. For what it's worth my company is a privately own Danish group. Taking a Europewide point of view is very enlightening.
I'm even more comfortable with my choice of vote than I was this morning.
I'm not that concerned about the no vote winning the referendum either, there are still a couple of plot twists yet.

macabethiel · 23-06-2016, 18:12

I originally voted to join the "Common Market" but had no idea at the time that we would be heading for a Federal Europe I thought it was all about Free Trade.

The government might just go for the EEA option thus effectively ignoring the voters.

Either way it will make little or no difference to me in my lifetime.

jims-terrano · 23-06-2016, 23:22

Think Elty hit the nail on the head in post 9. Doesn't matter which way it goes it'll still cost us the cash cows I mean tax payers

solarman216 · 23-06-2016, 23:37

Unfortunately our government is far to corrupt and lacking balls to make a difference one way or another, I for one will contribute the least I can to a system that allows immigrants into this country and promptly gives them much more than my grand daughters can get, a system that sends our/my money to corrupt regimes, a system that allows wholesale disregard regarding MP's fiddling expenses, I will stop there as am going to bed, got early job

to do am, Rick

don simon · 24-06-2016, 06:26

I guess we have what we wished for.
I hope it turns out to be what we really do want and that we are going to get the improvements that the leave votes believe are out there.
Adios cheap weekends away in Europe.
Adios free healthcare when we travel.
Adios Erasmus education for our children.
Adios trade agreements and chunks of exports.
Hola visas.

I'm struggling to see haw a corrupt UK government is going to change just because we have left Europe. I fail to see how immigration diminishes the opportunities of UK citizens (there are now 27 fewer opportunities). I fail to see how leaving Europe has changed our border control- we had border control yesterday as we weren't in Schengen. I fail to see how an estimated 16% price increase on my products is a good thing. I fail to see how increased unemployment is a good thing. I fail to see how increased retail prices is a good thing.

Not a day for this Briton to be proud.

At least I've got a couple of years to plan my escape...

23-06-2016, 02:13	#1
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	In or out Please do not think for one minute that voting out will be instant or indeed achievable, there is no law that says the government has to follow what you vote, indeed it will take two years or more to exit due to crap rules set up on joining, France for instance said crap to these laws when we first joined and for those that remember, they burnt our lambs that were exported from the UK under the then new EU rules, been countless other irregularities since, they think that as we abide by the rules that they can still dictate for the next 2 years during exit negotiations, well I think we should do as the French do and that is as of Brexit say stuff em, but in reality are the BRITISH public going to say brexit ??????????????????????? I do not know, but unlike most of you out there I really do not give a stuff as I am immune from therm , night all on this very special day,Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

23-06-2016, 15:24	#10
RJL Services Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: southwest gloucester Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 2.7 2003 Posts: 615	very true:l ol

23-06-2016, 23:37	#14
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	Unfortunately our government is far to corrupt and lacking balls to make a difference one way or another, I for one will contribute the least I can to a system that allows immigrants into this country and promptly gives them much more than my grand daughters can get, a system that sends our/my money to corrupt regimes, a system that allows wholesale disregard regarding MP's fiddling expenses, I will stop there as am going to bed, got early job to do am, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

23-06-2016, 05:25	#2
Monaro Pete Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Nr J28 M1 Vehicle: 03 Terrano 2.7 TDi Posts: 995	Out

23-06-2016, 07:05	#3
elty001 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Aflreton,Derbyshire. Vehicle: 2000se+ 2.7tdi terrano II Posts: 6,832	Out!! Let's try and make Britain great again

23-06-2016, 08:24	#5
RJL Services Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: southwest gloucester Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 2.7 2003 Posts: 615	out too for me and the wife

23-06-2016, 08:56	#6
don simon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Gone. Vehicle: Terrano ii Posts: 2,215	In.

23-06-2016, 13:00	#8
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	I was wondering when this thorny subject would pop up. For what it's worth I'm in and here's why. I know the EU is balloxed and overtly corrupt BUT the EU has brought peace to 28 member states. In Poland and Hungary the EU is seen as the last defence against their authoritarian governments. I don't think we should leave them alone. Cooperation not Confrontation. I live/love the beaches here where I live and the countryside I drive around in. None of those environments would be habitable if the EU hadn't forced UK govts to tidy up it's fookin mess. As for immigrants well there we need to man up and play the game to the rules. So no cash in hand monkeys at 5 quid an hour shit. Pay the min wage. Britain is no longer some land steeling Empire, it's hanging on the ruddy edge cause it's playing with the big boys at the moment. Nip out that school gate and the ruff kids will get us . Love and peace

23-06-2016, 13:13	#9
elty001 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Aflreton,Derbyshire. Vehicle: 2000se+ 2.7tdi terrano II Posts: 6,832	I don't really think it matters which way the vote goes,Governments will do what they feel is best whether we like it or not. I think they should put a box of condoms through the letterbox with your voting card cos you are gonna get f****d either way

23-06-2016, 17:34	#11
don simon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Gone. Vehicle: Terrano ii Posts: 2,215	I've just had a long chat with my MD about the whole topic, very interesting stuff once you get into the business and economic side of things. For what it's worth my company is a privately own Danish group. Taking a Europewide point of view is very enlightening. I'm even more comfortable with my choice of vote than I was this morning. I'm not that concerned about the no vote winning the referendum either, there are still a couple of plot twists yet.

23-06-2016, 18:12	#12
macabethiel Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Derby Vehicle: Freelander & Jeep GC 3.0 Posts: 4,416	I originally voted to join the "Common Market" but had no idea at the time that we would be heading for a Federal Europe I thought it was all about Free Trade. The government might just go for the EEA option thus effectively ignoring the voters. Either way it will make little or no difference to me in my lifetime.

23-06-2016, 23:22	#13
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	Think Elty hit the nail on the head in post 9. Doesn't matter which way it goes it'll still cost us the cash cows I mean tax payers

24-06-2016, 06:26	#15
don simon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Gone. Vehicle: Terrano ii Posts: 2,215	I guess we have what we wished for. I hope it turns out to be what we really do want and that we are going to get the improvements that the leave votes believe are out there. Adios cheap weekends away in Europe. Adios free healthcare when we travel. Adios Erasmus education for our children. Adios trade agreements and chunks of exports. Hola visas. I'm struggling to see haw a corrupt UK government is going to change just because we have left Europe. I fail to see how immigration diminishes the opportunities of UK citizens (there are now 27 fewer opportunities). I fail to see how leaving Europe has changed our border control- we had border control yesterday as we weren't in Schengen. I fail to see how an estimated 16% price increase on my products is a good thing. I fail to see how increased unemployment is a good thing. I fail to see how increased retail prices is a good thing. Not a day for this Briton to be proud. At least I've got a couple of years to plan my escape...