building a cage for my t2

Madmark · 20-04-2016, 22:00

Thought id have ago so started

And crappy attempt on laptop to see where I wanna go with this untill winch bumper is sorted

Madmark · 20-04-2016, 22:01

Also cant decide on colour

Terrano Steve · 21-04-2016, 07:00

Building an external cage for a 5 door that is structurally effective is going to be a challenge so I will stick with offering advice on colour,I think it should be black

jims-terrano · 21-04-2016, 07:14

From the title of the thread I thought your beast of a truck had to be caged

I agree it'll be difficult for it to be made structurally sound, might even be detrimental to it's looks and the insurance company may also dislike it too. Still it's your truck so you do what makes you happy but just check with the insurance company and MOT testers too.

Madmark · 21-04-2016, 07:38

Insurance is always checked before I do anything!! You can never risk that. And to be honest its more of an elaborate roof rack than a full cage lol but will help when leaning against a tree that happens now and again. Think I'm gonna be boaring and go black with the colour

Terrano Steve · 21-04-2016, 07:55

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Originally Posted by Madmark

Insurance is always checked before I do anything!! You can never risk that. And to be honest its more of an elaborate roof rack than a full cage lol but will help when leaning against a tree that happens now and again. Think I'm gonna be boaring and go black with the colour

Nothing wrong with black

Banshee · 21-04-2016, 08:54

YELLOW!!!!!

rustic · 21-04-2016, 11:46

With an external roll cage, cross bracing will be the difficult part, as I assume that the cage will be attached to the chassis. Currently the body is "floating" on rubber bushes to reduce vibration and noise into the cab, and any cross bracing would have to pass through the body without touching it, yet still provide enough room for the body to move and flex and still be weather proof.
I guess replacing the rubber body to chassis mounts with steel would make it more rigid, but what affects with metal fatigue will there be around the body eg the front wing, where the cage passes or clamps through it.

If this is the case, it must affect the structural part of the approved body and chassis. Just my thoughts, with nothing else better to do this morning lol, I am an engineer, but not a mechanical or structural engineer. A point just for discussion.
Rustic

Banshee · 21-04-2016, 12:00

One thing I've noticed looking at the drawings again in yellow is you may have a problem up front.

Where you have decided to run the bar behind the wing mirror and down the wing could be an issue depending on how big your tubing is going to be as you may limit the amount of travel your door has.

Also if you do go over and you do crumple that tube on its mounts, it may bend over and into the door preventing you from escaping which you don't want!!!

Fez_uk · 21-04-2016, 12:01

If you don't go to the chassis this is more of a brush guard to protect the body work. Which is ok, Serves it's purpose.

The standard cab is plenty strong enough for any light rolls.

I would mount the front tubing under the wing, plenty strong enough with some big spreader plates etc

makeitfit · 21-04-2016, 12:46

Defo needs to be decided now is big arse roof rack OR exo cage ? As Fez says brush guard is more likely really. There's precious little space in front of the door to wing area, similarly between both doors. then the back door to arch area will prob need fuel filler mods. Plus plastic bumpers are a pain if you need to go back to the chassis (exo cage option)
Picking up the chassis along the truck will just reduce clearance etc.
thinky thinky time me thinks

As for tree sliding, how about the landie solution of a dirty great chunk of nylon bolted to the side ?
LWB are a pain for this kinda 'ting

Personnaly I like the idea but would go a bit more extreme and have it large

Plastics off, sills off, back door welded, steel bumpers front and back etc

Yellow

Blocky10 · 21-04-2016, 13:18

Don't get carried away

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Madmark · 21-04-2016, 16:02

Def only gonna be elaborate roof rack as cant go too extreme as wanna keep it half sensible for kiddies and wife but also have fun with it

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 23-04-2016, 23:42

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-...some-pics.html

post 12
cherokee similiar size to terrano

solarman216 · 24-04-2016, 00:20

external cage on a T2 is not very viable in my view, if you are looking to protect yourself in a heavy roll over situation, then only an internal one will meet your needs, any external stuff will simply fold unless you go massif and that will not be practical a all, Rick

20-04-2016, 22:00	#1
Madmark Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Dorset Vehicle: highly modded Terrano 2 Posts: 1,088	building a cage for my t2 Thought id have ago so started And crappy attempt on laptop to see where I wanna go with this untill winch bumper is sorted

21-04-2016, 08:54	#7
Banshee Moderator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West Midlands Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van Posts: 13,526	YELLOW!!!!! __________________ Moderator 04' Terrano II SE 2.7 TDi SWB Commercial in Silver - Project Thread Toyo Open Country M/T 33's on 10J Steels, Super Strong Steering Job Navara D22 Snorkel, Front LOKKA, Maunal Hubs, EGR Blank TunitII ECU Chip, 3" Body Lift, 2" Suss Lift, Heat Exchanger Black Interior, 3.0 Borg&Beck Clutch, Eckes Heated Fuel Filter 99' Y61 Patrol GR SE 2.8 TD6 LWB in Blue/Silver - Project Thread Engine Transplant - In Progress!!!

21-04-2016, 11:46	#8
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	With an external roll cage, cross bracing will be the difficult part, as I assume that the cage will be attached to the chassis. Currently the body is "floating" on rubber bushes to reduce vibration and noise into the cab, and any cross bracing would have to pass through the body without touching it, yet still provide enough room for the body to move and flex and still be weather proof. I guess replacing the rubber body to chassis mounts with steel would make it more rigid, but what affects with metal fatigue will there be around the body eg the front wing, where the cage passes or clamps through it. If this is the case, it must affect the structural part of the approved body and chassis. Just my thoughts, with nothing else better to do this morning lol, I am an engineer, but not a mechanical or structural engineer. A point just for discussion. Rustic __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

21-04-2016, 12:00	#9
Banshee Moderator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West Midlands Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van Posts: 13,526	One thing I've noticed looking at the drawings again in yellow is you may have a problem up front. Where you have decided to run the bar behind the wing mirror and down the wing could be an issue depending on how big your tubing is going to be as you may limit the amount of travel your door has. Also if you do go over and you do crumple that tube on its mounts, it may bend over and into the door preventing you from escaping which you don't want!!! __________________ Moderator 04' Terrano II SE 2.7 TDi SWB Commercial in Silver - Project Thread Toyo Open Country M/T 33's on 10J Steels, Super Strong Steering Job Navara D22 Snorkel, Front LOKKA, Maunal Hubs, EGR Blank TunitII ECU Chip, 3" Body Lift, 2" Suss Lift, Heat Exchanger Black Interior, 3.0 Borg&Beck Clutch, Eckes Heated Fuel Filter 99' Y61 Patrol GR SE 2.8 TD6 LWB in Blue/Silver - Project Thread Engine Transplant - In Progress!!!

23-04-2016, 23:42	#14
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20-04-2016, 22:01	#2
Madmark Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Dorset Vehicle: highly modded Terrano 2 Posts: 1,088	Also cant decide on colour

21-04-2016, 07:00	#3
Terrano Steve Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: South west Vehicle: Terrano Posts: 522	Building an external cage for a 5 door that is structurally effective is going to be a challenge so I will stick with offering advice on colour,I think it should be black

21-04-2016, 07:14	#4
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	From the title of the thread I thought your beast of a truck had to be caged I agree it'll be difficult for it to be made structurally sound, might even be detrimental to it's looks and the insurance company may also dislike it too. Still it's your truck so you do what makes you happy but just check with the insurance company and MOT testers too.

21-04-2016, 07:38	#5
Madmark Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Dorset Vehicle: highly modded Terrano 2 Posts: 1,088	Insurance is always checked before I do anything!! You can never risk that. And to be honest its more of an elaborate roof rack than a full cage lol but will help when leaning against a tree that happens now and again. Think I'm gonna be boaring and go black with the colour

21-04-2016, 12:01	#10
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	If you don't go to the chassis this is more of a brush guard to protect the body work. Which is ok, Serves it's purpose. The standard cab is plenty strong enough for any light rolls. I would mount the front tubing under the wing, plenty strong enough with some big spreader plates etc

21-04-2016, 12:46	#11
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Defo needs to be decided now is big arse roof rack OR exo cage ? As Fez says brush guard is more likely really. There's precious little space in front of the door to wing area, similarly between both doors. then the back door to arch area will prob need fuel filler mods. Plus plastic bumpers are a pain if you need to go back to the chassis (exo cage option) Picking up the chassis along the truck will just reduce clearance etc. thinky thinky time me thinks As for tree sliding, how about the landie solution of a dirty great chunk of nylon bolted to the side ? LWB are a pain for this kinda 'ting Personnaly I like the idea but would go a bit more extreme and have it large Plastics off, sills off, back door welded, steel bumpers front and back etc Yellow

21-04-2016, 13:18	#12
Blocky10 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Welcome to Norwich, a fine city Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 3.0 SVE Auto Posts: 3,601	Don't get carried away Screenshot_2016-04-21-13-16-05-1.png

21-04-2016, 16:02	#13
Madmark Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Dorset Vehicle: highly modded Terrano 2 Posts: 1,088	Def only gonna be elaborate roof rack as cant go too extreme as wanna keep it half sensible for kiddies and wife but also have fun with it

24-04-2016, 00:20	#15
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	external cage on a T2 is not very viable in my view, if you are looking to protect yourself in a heavy roll over situation, then only an internal one will meet your needs, any external stuff will simply fold unless you go massif and that will not be practical a all, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.