new no tax disk crapp

solarman216 · 30-09-2014, 22:07

Well it seems we are now all reliant on the DVLA database being up to date and correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Well after transferring my insurance as of midnight tonight I am told that it can take up to 14 days before it is registered on the DVLA database, same with tax, so I park down town in a few days and some whatsit enters my reg only to discover that as yet it is not taxed or insured so clamps my motor, ready for confiscation, I am not there to argue, so what the F is going on, Rick

AlexD333 · 30-09-2014, 22:16

Oh crap, whats the latest? Did you leave it there? And you have definately paid up/legal ect?

makeitfit · 30-09-2014, 22:19

Rick I fear for us all in the short term

I've seen a lot of posts on faceache about cars not on the system for various reasons

However if I get ANY grief I'll use my car/truck as is till the bloody DVLA pull their collective finger right out. What's more I'm happy to sue the arse off them in court should I be penalised for their short comings

That said I'd take a screen shot of any online issues , just incase

AlexD333 · 30-09-2014, 22:21

Yes always take pictures on your samsung phone, or the classic "record my call" is always a good one. All my important calls are saved and backed up on pc.

rustic · 30-09-2014, 22:25

So... with the new tax disc rules... does that mean I can remove my tax disc even though it still has 9 months to run?

So to me, it doesn't look as though the government has thought this through...

I can get a number plate with any number off the internet without any proof of ownership, and then put it on my car. These are called "Display or Show plates"...
So I choose the same model, one that looks as though it has been looked after, then on any PNC check it doesn't flag up any problems, I can now drive through speed cameras, and overstay car parks, knowing that they cannot be traced back to me.

In the old days, the traffic wardens or car park attendants could compare the reg to the licence disc, or flag up any Guinness labels, to the police, now there is no cross check.
There could be several vehicles driving around with the same reg...

The only check is the Vin Number, or chassis number, and let's face it, when were you stopped to have this checked?

Now here's a thought...
I could buy two identical cars, insure one for two drivers, same reg... and provided that both cars weren't on the same section of road or parked next to each other...

Now where can I buy a 19 year old Maverick in excellent condition like mine and clone it?
Hmmm, I knew there was a flaw in my theory...

Sweety · 30-09-2014, 22:25

From what the DVLA where saying before it all came into force was once you paid your road tax it would be on their system straight away, now I know it can take a few weeks for them to send you out your new log book but surely once you have paid the tax they know who's motor it is as the money comes straight out of your bank account (costs more via credit card) only thing I can think of is ring them in the morning because if you have to wait 14 days it's fraud on their part as they would be charging you 14 days tax for a vehicle they won't let you use on the road.
I'm not sure if I can legally take my tax disc off tomorrow or I have to wait until it runs out

knew the system was coming into force & when but some details are very thin on the ground about it all

terrano bob · 30-09-2014, 22:30

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Well it seems we are now all reliant on the DVLA database being up to date and correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Well after transferring my insurance as of midnight tonight I am told that it can take up to 14 days before it is registered on the DVLA database, same with tax, so I park down town in a few days and some whatsit enters my reg only to discover that as yet it is not taxed or insured so clamps my motor, ready for confiscation, I am not there to argue, so what the F is going on, Rick

don't worry rick that won't happon your insurance will have register all that

makeitfit · 30-09-2014, 22:32

Trouble is they use an insurance data base to validate your purchase. So if I insure online tonight it wont show on DVLA data base till the MIB do their bit, therefore you can't get tax. Before you could print out your covernote and get the disc at a P O S T O F F I C E , what ever they were

cncfabs · 30-09-2014, 22:34

Nothings changed you just dont get a tax disc anymore.If you still have one chuck it in the bin

AlexD333 · 30-09-2014, 22:35

Sorry did I miss something here or read it wrong? I thought ricks terrano has been clamped?

makeitfit · 30-09-2014, 22:37

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Originally Posted by AlexD333

Sorry did I miss something here or read it wrong? I thought ricks terrano has been clamped?

I read it that Rick was being hypothetical

AlexD333 · 30-09-2014, 22:38

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Originally Posted by makeitfit

I read it that Rick was being hypothetical

I thought he said a few days after it has now been clamped.

Actually reading it again it could be either

makeitfit · 30-09-2014, 22:40

He's probably had malt or two

AlexD333 · 30-09-2014, 22:45

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Originally Posted by makeitfit

He's probably had malt or two

Or more

Sweety · 30-09-2014, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexD333

I thought he said a few days after it has now been clamped.

Actually reading it again it could be either

Read it all again Alex

Rick has just put an MOT on & set up the insurance to start at midnight (1/10/14) & you can't tax a motor without test or insurance

Quote " so (IF think this was missing) I park down town in a few days and some whatsit enters my reg only to discover that as yet it is not taxed or insured so clamps my motor" it's a hypothetical question

30-09-2014, 22:07	#1
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,430	new no tax disk crapp Well it seems we are now all reliant on the DVLA database being up to date and correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Well after transferring my insurance as of midnight tonight I am told that it can take up to 14 days before it is registered on the DVLA database, same with tax, so I park down town in a few days and some whatsit enters my reg only to discover that as yet it is not taxed or insured so clamps my motor, ready for confiscation, I am not there to argue, so what the F is going on, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

30-09-2014, 22:25	#5
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	So... with the new tax disc rules... does that mean I can remove my tax disc even though it still has 9 months to run? So to me, it doesn't look as though the government has thought this through... I can get a number plate with any number off the internet without any proof of ownership, and then put it on my car. These are called "Display or Show plates"... So I choose the same model, one that looks as though it has been looked after, then on any PNC check it doesn't flag up any problems, I can now drive through speed cameras, and overstay car parks, knowing that they cannot be traced back to me. In the old days, the traffic wardens or car park attendants could compare the reg to the licence disc, or flag up any Guinness labels, to the police, now there is no cross check. There could be several vehicles driving around with the same reg... The only check is the Vin Number, or chassis number, and let's face it, when were you stopped to have this checked? Now here's a thought... I could buy two identical cars, insure one for two drivers, same reg... and provided that both cars weren't on the same section of road or parked next to each other... Now where can I buy a 19 year old Maverick in excellent condition like mine and clone it? Hmmm, I knew there was a flaw in my theory... __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

30-09-2014, 22:16	#2
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Oh crap, whats the latest? Did you leave it there? And you have definately paid up/legal ect?

30-09-2014, 22:19	#3
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Rick I fear for us all in the short term I've seen a lot of posts on faceache about cars not on the system for various reasons However if I get ANY grief I'll use my car/truck as is till the bloody DVLA pull their collective finger right out. What's more I'm happy to sue the arse off them in court should I be penalised for their short comings That said I'd take a screen shot of any online issues , just incase

30-09-2014, 22:21	#4
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Yes always take pictures on your samsung phone, or the classic "record my call" is always a good one. All my important calls are saved and backed up on pc.

30-09-2014, 22:25	#6
Sweety Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Northumberland Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDI SE LWB Posts: 3,604	From what the DVLA where saying before it all came into force was once you paid your road tax it would be on their system straight away, now I know it can take a few weeks for them to send you out your new log book but surely once you have paid the tax they know who's motor it is as the money comes straight out of your bank account (costs more via credit card) only thing I can think of is ring them in the morning because if you have to wait 14 days it's fraud on their part as they would be charging you 14 days tax for a vehicle they won't let you use on the road. I'm not sure if I can legally take my tax disc off tomorrow or I have to wait until it runs out knew the system was coming into force & when but some details are very thin on the ground about it all

30-09-2014, 22:32	#8
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Trouble is they use an insurance data base to validate your purchase. So if I insure online tonight it wont show on DVLA data base till the MIB do their bit, therefore you can't get tax. Before you could print out your covernote and get the disc at a P O S T O F F I C E , what ever they were

30-09-2014, 22:34	#9
cncfabs Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: somerset Vehicle: terrano Posts: 1,947	Nothings changed you just dont get a tax disc anymore.If you still have one chuck it in the bin

30-09-2014, 22:35	#10
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Sorry did I miss something here or read it wrong? I thought ricks terrano has been clamped?

30-09-2014, 22:40	#13
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	He's probably had malt or two