All loaded up

Sweety · 14-07-2014, 21:29

Well all loaded up & ready for the off in the morning as we're away camping for 4 days, just got the pillows & the elec coolbox to go in in the morning

was packing up the truck & the next minute the dog had jumped into the drivers seat ready to go straight away

out of silliness thought i'd see how low the rear suspension had dropped by & was a little shocked there is only 15mm clearance between the bump stops & axle

zippy656 · 14-07-2014, 21:32

Get a tin tent

Sweety · 14-07-2014, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippy656

Get a tin tent

We are busy saving up for one hence fitting the tow bar & electrics

zippy656 · 14-07-2014, 21:40

Good call.

Bit far to me though.

solarman216 · 14-07-2014, 21:44

15mm! you are not loaded yet, they are not really bump stops but more spring helpers, my work motor is hard on the helpers all the time, this has been the case with the 3 T2s I have had in this guise so far, all LWB, Rick

Sweety · 14-07-2014, 23:15

Know they are more of a spring helper/booster but was a little shocked to see them as close to the axle as i've never bothered looking before but it's good to know they will cope with more weight in the back ok. Always take it easy tho when have the camping gear in as the back end feels a little soft for my liking but starting to get used to it.
Yes Zippy your a few miles away from me

spinna · 14-07-2014, 23:52

Bump stops.... You posh bar steward. If your really hard core you will drive no bump stops lol.
I'm not hard core just to tight to buy new one tho lol

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Banshee · 15-07-2014, 12:24

What Bumpstops ???

AlexD333 · 15-07-2014, 13:28

C'mon, wheres these pics at man?!?

rustic · 15-07-2014, 14:19

It's all about loading the vehicle correctly.

Every kg behind the rear wheel will reduce the weight on the front axle, by a lesser amount.

The further away from the axle, ie near the door will have an even greater effect.

When we carry 600 kg in the mav, I try to use the floor in front of the rear seats, with heavy stuff. Even the back seat, then the space over the rear axle.
I avoid the space by the rear door as much as possible, placing lighter things here, eg sleeping bags etc. Saves the tail wagging the dog.

I measure hitch height before loading, then after loading, and it can go down 2" with no problems.

So consider where your weight is.

Banshee · 15-07-2014, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustic

It's all about loading the vehicle correctly.

Every kg behind the rear wheel will reduce the weight on the front axle, by a lesser amount.

The further away from the axle, ie near the door will have an even greater effect.

When we carry 600 kg in the mav, I try to use the floor in front of the rear seats, with heavy stuff. Even the back seat, then the space over the rear axle.
I avoid the space by the rear door as much as possible, placing lighter things here, eg sleeping bags etc. Saves the tail wagging the dog.

I measure hitch height before loading, then after loading, and it can go down 2" with no problems.

So consider where your weight is.

I can never usually question your answers Rustic but I have to clarify something here

Surely you would want more weight over the rear wheels as this is where the power is delivered on these cars. Pushing more weight towards the front of the car means there is less traction at the drive wheels and more weight towards the front would potentially cause a loss of traction when cornering?

trophymick · 15-07-2014, 16:09

In HGV terms it's called weight distribution.

You don't want more weight at the extremes, your weight is best evenly distributed. Also heavy at the bottom and lighter at the top keeps the centre of gravity in check.

When a HGV is weight checked by the ministry of transport, they check each axles weight, this is to see if the driver has all his weight on the handlebars or rear axles.

Rustic has it right.

rustic · 15-07-2014, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banshee

I can never usually question your answers Rustic but I have to clarify something here

Surely you would want more weight over the rear wheels as this is where the power is delivered on these cars. Pushing more weight towards the front of the car means there is less traction at the drive wheels and more weight towards the front would potentially cause a loss of traction when cornering?

Right, any weight placed between the front axle and the rear axle will put some weight on both axles.
If it was exactly half way between them, then the weight is shared 50:50

So weight on the rear seat foot well, say 100 kg, then approx 80 kg will be seen by the rear axle, and only 20 kg by the front. That's because the rear footwell is closer to the rear axle than the front axle.

Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Rustic

Banshee · 16-07-2014, 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustic

Right, any weight placed between the front axle and the rear axle will put some weight on both axles.
If it was exactly half way between them, then the weight is shared 50:50

So weight on the rear seat foot well, say 100 kg, then approx 80 kg will be seen by the rear axle, and only 20 kg by the front. That's because the rear footwell is closer to the rear axle than the front axle.

Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Rustic

I've got you now

I must have been misreading it

14-07-2014, 21:29	#1
Sweety Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Northumberland Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDI SE LWB Posts: 3,604	All loaded up Well all loaded up & ready for the off in the morning as we're away camping for 4 days, just got the pillows & the elec coolbox to go in in the morning was packing up the truck & the next minute the dog had jumped into the drivers seat ready to go straight away out of silliness thought i'd see how low the rear suspension had dropped by & was a little shocked there is only 15mm clearance between the bump stops & axle

14-07-2014, 21:44	#5
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,430	15mm! you are not loaded yet, they are not really bump stops but more spring helpers, my work motor is hard on the helpers all the time, this has been the case with the 3 T2s I have had in this guise so far, all LWB, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

15-07-2014, 12:24	#8
Banshee Moderator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West Midlands Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van Posts: 13,526	What Bumpstops ??? __________________ Moderator 04' Terrano II SE 2.7 TDi SWB Commercial in Silver - Project Thread Toyo Open Country M/T 33's on 10J Steels, Super Strong Steering Job Navara D22 Snorkel, Front LOKKA, Maunal Hubs, EGR Blank TunitII ECU Chip, 3" Body Lift, 2" Suss Lift, Heat Exchanger Black Interior, 3.0 Borg&Beck Clutch, Eckes Heated Fuel Filter 99' Y61 Patrol GR SE 2.8 TD6 LWB in Blue/Silver - Project Thread Engine Transplant - In Progress!!!

15-07-2014, 14:19	#10
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	It's all about loading the vehicle correctly. Every kg behind the rear wheel will reduce the weight on the front axle, by a lesser amount. The further away from the axle, ie near the door will have an even greater effect. When we carry 600 kg in the mav, I try to use the floor in front of the rear seats, with heavy stuff. Even the back seat, then the space over the rear axle. I avoid the space by the rear door as much as possible, placing lighter things here, eg sleeping bags etc. Saves the tail wagging the dog. I measure hitch height before loading, then after loading, and it can go down 2" with no problems. So consider where your weight is. __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

14-07-2014, 21:32	#2
zippy656 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Devizes Wiltshire Vehicle: Nissan Note Ntec 1.5 Posts: 14,137	Get a tin tent

14-07-2014, 21:40	#4
zippy656 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Devizes Wiltshire Vehicle: Nissan Note Ntec 1.5 Posts: 14,137	Good call. Bit far to me though.

14-07-2014, 23:15	#6
Sweety Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Northumberland Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDI SE LWB Posts: 3,604	Know they are more of a spring helper/booster but was a little shocked to see them as close to the axle as i've never bothered looking before but it's good to know they will cope with more weight in the back ok. Always take it easy tho when have the camping gear in as the back end feels a little soft for my liking but starting to get used to it. Yes Zippy your a few miles away from me

14-07-2014, 23:52	#7
spinna Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Telford, Shropshire Vehicle: Nissan Patrol y60 4.2d Posts: 1,287	Bump stops.... You posh bar steward. If your really hard core you will drive no bump stops lol. I'm not hard core just to tight to buy new one tho lol Sent from my mobile communications device using Tapatalk

15-07-2014, 13:28	#9
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	C'mon, wheres these pics at man?!?

15-07-2014, 16:09	#12
trophymick Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Langholm,Scotland Vehicle: 2001 Terrano 2. S LWB 2.7 Posts: 463	In HGV terms it's called weight distribution. You don't want more weight at the extremes, your weight is best evenly distributed. Also heavy at the bottom and lighter at the top keeps the centre of gravity in check. When a HGV is weight checked by the ministry of transport, they check each axles weight, this is to see if the driver has all his weight on the handlebars or rear axles. Rustic has it right.