3.0 or 2.7?

exosteve · 17-12-2012, 15:35

hi peeps. my name is steve and im looking and have been for a while for a terrano.
im unsure wether to go for the 2.7 or the 3.0 deisel manual.
ive priced my insurance and theres only 90 quid in it.
is the tax more expencive on the 3L?
are they all gear driven and not cambelt?
and Iv read the 3L is slightly better on fuel ( which doesnt make sence to me.)
we have had to consolidate this year letting our motor home go then crashing my car. so we decided we wanted one vehicle thats good for work(window cleaning.I know its high up to get ladders on!)
and also with plenty of room for camping gear. but not only that we wanted a toy too. and what better toy than to go places other vehicles cant get too, off roading and of course it means i can get to wales in deep snow for winter mountaineering.
I dont like the idea of towing a caravan so it wont need to pull much weight.
any help or advice will be greatly aprecciated.
steve

rayf3262 · 17-12-2012, 15:46

I have a 3.0 di with 120,000 miles on it.
its an auto and averages around 26~28 MPG, which are mostly sub 10 mile journeys, so I'm happy with that.
I think the reason for the supposed better fuel consumption may be down to the fact that the 3.0 is direct injection and has a 16 valve head.

The cam on the ZD30 engine is chain driven.

Fez_uk · 17-12-2012, 15:49

2.7tdi anyday.

stinka · 17-12-2012, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Fez_uk

2.7tdi anyday.

This.

firebobby · 17-12-2012, 16:16

Had both and although I had no complaints with the 2.7, I like my 3.0l better, just returned from a trip to Belgium, I filled up when I left home (not brimmed ) and did just shy of 450 miles before I filled up again, it was just on the red, I sat at 65 to 70 mph (satnav) and the car just ate the miles.

supergnome · 17-12-2012, 16:17

If you have ladders get the LWB. Alot on here use cooking oil which you can' t use in the 3.0. Road tax is on age, You can get vans if its for business use but not for the family. Both good motors. David.

firebobby · 17-12-2012, 16:29

Agree with above, the tax is a bit higher from 2000 onwards and 2006 onwards is when the £450 tax on large engines comes in.

The omissions on the 3.0 are less than the 2.7 but not enough to put it into a lower band.

Do check the under side of anything your looking at as they do rust, just check through the postings on here.

exosteve · 17-12-2012, 17:42

thanks for the replies peeps. im still not sure which one to go for and by the replys there doesnt seem much in it anyway.
I nearly brought one from a farm but realised it was looking a bit rusty on the chasis.
the search continues. im hoping to get one by this weekend so we can get out over xmas.but realise my choice is not to be rushed as im looking for a motor to keep for (hopefully) many years
steve

rustic · 17-12-2012, 18:01

Mine is the older 2.7 td, nearly had it 18 years from new.
So why change it.

Best vehicle I have ever owned.
Last year I spent £6.50 on it...
That was for a new screen pump.

3 years ago, new tail section for the exhaust
4 years ago 2 new glow plugs, only £7.00 each for the td version.

The expense.

This year...
Hmm...
Oh, a new bulb for behind the digital clock, even then I already had a few spares from our other car.

Other than service items... Nothing

CaptLimey · 17-12-2012, 18:17

Hi Steve
I've had both a 2.7 and now have a 3ltr. My preference is by far for the 3ltr. It is more powerful and more economical. That is if you don't want to use veg oil. However beware of gearbox trouble indicated by a whine in the higher gears. There are several threads on here relating to the subject. I had to replace the gearbox on my 2.7 and the 3ltr box was rebuilt by the dealer I bought it from before I would accept it. I have also had to replace the rear axle on the 3ltr when I heard exceptional bearing noise in forward drive. I believe, however, that was an exceptional occurence as the axles are normally 'bullet proof'. Beware also of rust around the top of the front wheel arches where the plastic trim is mounted, the rear seat belt mounts, which you can see from under the rear wheel arches and the lower inner part of the front wings, just below where the lower door hinge attaches. Apart from those issues the T2 is a great truck, you'll love it and when you buy one join up and pay your tenner - you'll save that just by downloading the workshop manual!
Regards CL

stinka · 17-12-2012, 18:20

The 2.7 engine has a gear driven cam, it has nothing to go wrong apart from the electrics which are very simple, it's fitted to a London black cab and will do over 500k if serviced

Mines done 145k and is like new, starts first flick, no smoke, no oil consumption, a few lads here have 180k+ and have the same story

3.0 has more complex electronics and has a timing chain that can be troublesome, not many reports of trouble free star ship mileage with the 3.0 if any ?

If your buying a 100k mile used truck IMHO you buy the 2.7

If I was buying new more so if it was a company car I'd have the 3.0

96terrano · 17-12-2012, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustic

Mine is the older 2.7 td, nearly had it 18 years from new.
So why change it.

Best vehicle I have ever owned.
Last year I spent £6.50 on it...
That was for a new screen pump.

3 years ago, new tail section for the exhaust
4 years ago 2 new glow plugs, only £7.00 each for the td version.

The expense.

This year...
Hmm...
Oh, a new bulb for behind the digital clock, even then I already had a few spares from our other car.

Other than service items... Nothing

not even tires oil etc?? or are you talking about non service parts?

Fraccie · 17-12-2012, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96terrano

not even tires oil etc?? or are you talking about non service parts?

You put tyres on any car you own and oil in any car you own.

No point in counting items like that, same with exhausts, parts that wear do so on any car.

exosteve · 17-12-2012, 19:17

ive maybe got upto 3k max.
im just looking at an 03 plate going for 3500 but he may do deal but its auto.
are autos any good off road?

stinka · 17-12-2012, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by exosteve

ive maybe got upto 3k max.
im just looking at an 03 plate going for 3500 but he may do deal but its auto.
are autos any good off road?

Autos are fine off road, some prefer them as u never lose traction when changing gear like on a hill climb, personally I'd never have an auto as I prefer manual, it's very much down to personal preference

£3500 is top whack for an 03, it would need to be immaculate from a dealer

I'd be looking on eBay and auto trader, I've seen really nice 04/05 2.7 sports go for that kind of money, just beware of when the road tax changes as its like £400 a year after 05 iirc

17-12-2012, 15:35	#1
exosteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: stoke on trent Vehicle: 2001 2.7 td lwb terrano Posts: 2,740	3.0 or 2.7? hi peeps. my name is steve and im looking and have been for a while for a terrano. im unsure wether to go for the 2.7 or the 3.0 deisel manual. ive priced my insurance and theres only 90 quid in it. is the tax more expencive on the 3L? are they all gear driven and not cambelt? and Iv read the 3L is slightly better on fuel ( which doesnt make sence to me.) we have had to consolidate this year letting our motor home go then crashing my car. so we decided we wanted one vehicle thats good for work(window cleaning.I know its high up to get ladders on!) and also with plenty of room for camping gear. but not only that we wanted a toy too. and what better toy than to go places other vehicles cant get too, off roading and of course it means i can get to wales in deep snow for winter mountaineering. I dont like the idea of towing a caravan so it wont need to pull much weight. any help or advice will be greatly aprecciated. steve

17-12-2012, 18:01	#9
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	Mine is the older 2.7 td, nearly had it 18 years from new. So why change it. Best vehicle I have ever owned. Last year I spent £6.50 on it... That was for a new screen pump. 3 years ago, new tail section for the exhaust 4 years ago 2 new glow plugs, only £7.00 each for the td version. The expense. This year... Hmm... Oh, a new bulb for behind the digital clock, even then I already had a few spares from our other car. Other than service items... Nothing __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

17-12-2012, 15:46	#2
rayf3262 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Norfolk, Poringland NR14 Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2002 Posts: 1,549	I have a 3.0 di with 120,000 miles on it. its an auto and averages around 26~28 MPG, which are mostly sub 10 mile journeys, so I'm happy with that. I think the reason for the supposed better fuel consumption may be down to the fact that the 3.0 is direct injection and has a 16 valve head. The cam on the ZD30 engine is chain driven.

17-12-2012, 15:49	#3
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	2.7tdi anyday.

17-12-2012, 16:16	#5
firebobby Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South Bucks Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2005 Posts: 3,499	Had both and although I had no complaints with the 2.7, I like my 3.0l better, just returned from a trip to Belgium, I filled up when I left home (not brimmed ) and did just shy of 450 miles before I filled up again, it was just on the red, I sat at 65 to 70 mph (satnav) and the car just ate the miles.

17-12-2012, 16:17	#6
supergnome Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Isle of Axholme Vehicle: T2, 2.7 TDI 2002 lwb Posts: 955	If you have ladders get the LWB. Alot on here use cooking oil which you can' t use in the 3.0. Road tax is on age, You can get vans if its for business use but not for the family. Both good motors. David.

17-12-2012, 16:29	#7
firebobby Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South Bucks Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2005 Posts: 3,499	Agree with above, the tax is a bit higher from 2000 onwards and 2006 onwards is when the £450 tax on large engines comes in. The omissions on the 3.0 are less than the 2.7 but not enough to put it into a lower band. Do check the under side of anything your looking at as they do rust, just check through the postings on here.

17-12-2012, 17:42	#8
exosteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: stoke on trent Vehicle: 2001 2.7 td lwb terrano Posts: 2,740	thanks for the replies peeps. im still not sure which one to go for and by the replys there doesnt seem much in it anyway. I nearly brought one from a farm but realised it was looking a bit rusty on the chasis. the search continues. im hoping to get one by this weekend so we can get out over xmas.but realise my choice is not to be rushed as im looking for a motor to keep for (hopefully) many years steve

17-12-2012, 18:17	#10
CaptLimey Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South of France Vehicle: '03 LWB MK.4 3Ltr T2 Posts: 421	Hi Steve I've had both a 2.7 and now have a 3ltr. My preference is by far for the 3ltr. It is more powerful and more economical. That is if you don't want to use veg oil. However beware of gearbox trouble indicated by a whine in the higher gears. There are several threads on here relating to the subject. I had to replace the gearbox on my 2.7 and the 3ltr box was rebuilt by the dealer I bought it from before I would accept it. I have also had to replace the rear axle on the 3ltr when I heard exceptional bearing noise in forward drive. I believe, however, that was an exceptional occurence as the axles are normally 'bullet proof'. Beware also of rust around the top of the front wheel arches where the plastic trim is mounted, the rear seat belt mounts, which you can see from under the rear wheel arches and the lower inner part of the front wings, just below where the lower door hinge attaches. Apart from those issues the T2 is a great truck, you'll love it and when you buy one join up and pay your tenner - you'll save that just by downloading the workshop manual! Regards CL

17-12-2012, 18:20	#11
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	The 2.7 engine has a gear driven cam, it has nothing to go wrong apart from the electrics which are very simple, it's fitted to a London black cab and will do over 500k if serviced Mines done 145k and is like new, starts first flick, no smoke, no oil consumption, a few lads here have 180k+ and have the same story 3.0 has more complex electronics and has a timing chain that can be troublesome, not many reports of trouble free star ship mileage with the 3.0 if any ? If your buying a 100k mile used truck IMHO you buy the 2.7 If I was buying new more so if it was a company car I'd have the 3.0

17-12-2012, 19:17	#14
exosteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: stoke on trent Vehicle: 2001 2.7 td lwb terrano Posts: 2,740	ive maybe got upto 3k max. im just looking at an 03 plate going for 3500 but he may do deal but its auto. are autos any good off road?