mothers banned for being british

R1cho · 19-01-2011, 22:17

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mmigrants.html

(RIP) PLANK · 19-01-2011, 22:30

It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act.

What a shoddy way to deal with people.

clivvy · 19-01-2011, 23:14

well, thats not surprising.

tezzer · 19-01-2011, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLANK

It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act.

What a shoddy way to deal with people.

does it not answer it self, anyone but British mothers (children), i would like to know what would happen if their children were mixed race. poxy country has gone to pot, if that not discrimination i dont know what is.

(RIP) PLANK · 19-01-2011, 23:15

It suprised me, it sounds like one of those tales people make up, like the 'black' coffee thing. Just to rouse peoples anger. But this one seems real.

19-01-2011, 23:41

http://www.facebook.com/#!/English.D...gue.EDL?v=info
kindve nice side to nf lol

(RIP) PLANK · 19-01-2011, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by tezzer

does it not answer it self, anyone but British mothers (children), i would like to know what would happen if their children were mixed race. poxy country has gone to pot, if that not discrimination i dont know what is.

no it doesn't, and there seems to be a mixed notion of race and nationality here - read on.

it is possible to be black and british. So if there were black british mothers inside, and these motheres were turned away for being british - the implication is they were turned away because of the colour of their skin - therefore (as implied racism is an offence) the 2010 act would have been broken.

It's technical stuff, but visa-versa you could be 'foreign' and white, so if this nursery was for foreign mothers and kids, and austrailan, or german or french motehr could even if she was white.

you see the whole thing appears to be around imigreation status and nationality, not about race.

I'm not defending this, i think its a disgrace and self defeating as the best way to stamp out biggotry is to get all the children growing up together.

R1cho · 19-01-2011, 23:58

but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 00:00

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Originally Posted by R1cho

but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?

As i said in above post, that would not break the law, as you can be of any race or ethnic origin and still British. In fact all out schools and nursery's and hospitals, and libraries and ... etc. etc. are just that with few exceptions - British only.

R1cho · 20-01-2011, 00:02

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Originally Posted by PLANK

As i said in above post, that would not break the law, as you can be of any race or ethnic origin and still British. In fact all out schools and nursery's and hospitals, and libraries and ... etc. etc. are just that with few exceptions - British only.

so they being countryist then, i bet they would still kick up a stink about it though

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 00:10

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Originally Posted by R1cho

so they being countryist then, i bet they would still kick up a stink about it though

it gives the wrong ipression as the word is usualy defined as a political stance but - Nationalist - would be the only single word to describe it. But as i said if there were other women of British nationality, who were of sian or African origin (or any other British persons of colour) who were admited; the implication would be that these two were refused admission because of their colour and therefore the law has been broken.

but remember, i'm not a proper lawyer, but if you want me to defend you in court i am cheap

tezzer · 20-01-2011, 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLANK

it gives the wrong ipression as the word is usualy defined as a political stance but - Nationalist - would be the only single word to describe it. But as i said if there were other women of British nationality, who were of sian or African origin (or any other British persons of colour) who were admited; the implication would be that these two were refused admission because of their colour and therefore the law has been broken.

but remember, i'm not a proper lawyer, but if you want me to defend you in court i am cheap

but make sure you read his disclaimer first,

take no notice of him.

20-01-2011, 01:17

planks right the laws been broken if these two were turned away because of being white it is racist and if theyd been black and turned away theyd be uproar and hand wringing mps would be queing up to say what a disgrace it all is.
watch sky 3 now its a joke here illegaly dumped your passport oh ok well let you go so long as you sign on at our office! joke!

Sedger · 20-01-2011, 10:29

This matter was very badly handled by the club.

There are a number of points here

Is it true? A valid question in view of the Mail's track record for exagerating stories which suit its own political bias - a comment on the Mail forum is quoted below - but is that genuine - who knows...

I wonder if a single word of this article is true, srangely I took my daughter to the same playgroup and had no issue.I'm white and unfortunately also british, my wife is French but they weren't to know that. there were other "british" families there, these women seem to be the only ones who were excluded.

It's also relevant that the charity that runs this was given the funding on the basis that it was for the integration of immigrant families. In other words so that they understand the UK culture, systems and values. This is very worthwhile.

Because of the strings attached to the funding the organisers would have to toe the line on who came. Clearly they've been way to restrictive (possibly) and this has resulted in a story which can be bigged up in the Mail and repeated on endless web sites (try and google it).

Adding to the harmony on the streets (NOT).

lacroupade · 20-01-2011, 12:11

I've got to say, on the face of it, if true its an outrageous instance of reverse racism so I'm tempted by Sedgers thread, especially it being the dear old DM LOL....on the odd occasions I buy it, I always do so in expectation of a rollicking good "outraged of Surbiton" read

What this does bring home yet again though is how we vote governments in on the basis of a few headline manifesto items, without a bloody clue about how they intend to tackle the detail....maybe if we knew we might vote differently....doesn't matter if it excessive pandering to immigrants over UK citizens (which is guaranteed to create dissatisfaction straight off the bat), or more stupid rules and regulations to dump on the shoulders of Joe Citizen....

19-01-2011, 22:17	#1
R1cho Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wales Vehicle: 1997 LandCruiser Colorado Posts: 4,201	mothers banned for being british http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mmigrants.html

20-01-2011, 10:29	#14
Sedger Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: South Vehicle: 1999 PATROL Y61 2.8 SWB Posts: 135	Is it true though... This matter was very badly handled by the club. There are a number of points here Is it true? A valid question in view of the Mail's track record for exagerating stories which suit its own political bias - a comment on the Mail forum is quoted below - but is that genuine - who knows... I wonder if a single word of this article is true, srangely I took my daughter to the same playgroup and had no issue.I'm white and unfortunately also british, my wife is French but they weren't to know that. there were other "british" families there, these women seem to be the only ones who were excluded. It's also relevant that the charity that runs this was given the funding on the basis that it was for the integration of immigrant families. In other words so that they understand the UK culture, systems and values. This is very worthwhile. Because of the strings attached to the funding the organisers would have to toe the line on who came. Clearly they've been way to restrictive (possibly) and this has resulted in a story which can be bigged up in the Mail and repeated on endless web sites (try and google it). Adding to the harmony on the streets (NOT).

19-01-2011, 22:30	#2
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act. What a shoddy way to deal with people.

19-01-2011, 23:14	#3
clivvy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Huddersfield Vehicle: Terrano 03 LWB Posts: 6,947	well, thats not surprising.

19-01-2011, 23:15	#5
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	It suprised me, it sounds like one of those tales people make up, like the 'black' coffee thing. Just to rouse peoples anger. But this one seems real.

19-01-2011, 23:41	#6
jace Guest Posts: n/a	http://www.facebook.com/#!/English.D...gue.EDL?v=info kindve nice side to nf lol

19-01-2011, 23:58	#8
R1cho Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wales Vehicle: 1997 LandCruiser Colorado Posts: 4,201	but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?

20-01-2011, 01:17	#13
jace Guest Posts: n/a	planks right the laws been broken if these two were turned away because of being white it is racist and if theyd been black and turned away theyd be uproar and hand wringing mps would be queing up to say what a disgrace it all is. watch sky 3 now its a joke here illegaly dumped your passport oh ok well let you go so long as you sign on at our office! joke!

20-01-2011, 12:11	#15
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	I've got to say, on the face of it, if true its an outrageous instance of reverse racism so I'm tempted by Sedgers thread, especially it being the dear old DM LOL....on the odd occasions I buy it, I always do so in expectation of a rollicking good "outraged of Surbiton" read What this does bring home yet again though is how we vote governments in on the basis of a few headline manifesto items, without a bloody clue about how they intend to tackle the detail....maybe if we knew we might vote differently....doesn't matter if it excessive pandering to immigrants over UK citizens (which is guaranteed to create dissatisfaction straight off the bat), or more stupid rules and regulations to dump on the shoulders of Joe Citizen....