lets disguss the crag, glass or 4x4 response thing

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by nejones

I got that from the video and pics that Dadba posted. Both showing team wales and Dadba/Bukshot not sticking to the proper route on SF. Not abating obstacles either.

I think you've already had plenty of reasoned answers re driving forest tracks.

You havent answered my questions either.

As far as I am aware there was one 30-foot transgression on to the peat by a young lad who isn't a member.

Please point out where we went wrong as it certainly wasn't clear on the day....

I missed outstanding questions?

[Deleted Member D]

It be great to think the vid can have a constructive use too.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by dadba

It be great to think the vid can have a constructive use too.

Totally agree because I'm buggered if I know what the issue was with SF.

[extreme-4x4]

the s f bit was i expect

when we played on the rocky dip ,and we went round the puddle into the mud and ruts paul took the puddle route

can i just say nath, i appreciate the time and effort you put into providing some lanes for us, i hope to do some more very soon. and would like to come out with you sometime

i can see pauls point of view and law facts about private land etc and ok he's right... but id still be upset if it was my garden as anyone would

i know not everyone agrees about everything , but does it have to get to this level over a video that we all took part in as a team/group.
we all did the crime its unfair for dadba to take the rap for the video so lets not single him out as the vilan it was all of us

oh and for the record there was no pm's or behind the scenes chat about it all either that im aware of, first i knew of all this was late last night

[lacroupade]

I'm praying to whatever god there is that nobody is getting pi55y about that rocky dip...perleeeeez.

I'll have to watch the vid again about the puddle bit cos the only time I can be certain that anyone strayed off what appeared to be the track was when Andrew went off to the right briefly into the peat and then thought better of it.

And remember Colin we AIN'T talking back gardens here but 30,000 acres of pine trees, mud and shite.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

the s f bit was i expect

when we played on the rocky dip ,and we went round the puddle into the mud and ruts paul took the puddle route

rerun the video and i think i know which bit you mean Col, but i defy anybody to say definitively which is the correct path - same is true at a number of points on SF....but by all means someone prove me wrong.

[extreme-4x4]

yes i know. and im the first one who dont agree the forestry owns our countryside. same as walters buying a mountain for a quid then mining it and building a stadium up there and managing to close centuries old roads ... but they do

one thing id say ok crag did the work on the footbridge at the steps on the sarn.... you provide powys council with a footbridge to encourage hikers and mountain bikes etc..... they did all that ,,,, so why the f... is the sarn closed for good then to motor vehicles

i can see an argument for behaving but if the ramblers assosiation want access accross your land . they will come in and damage what they see fit to use a forgotten path

as for terra going around an obstickle and going int a wood to go round. its not nesseserily the wood owner who is responsible for the blocked lane. so you could have anadvertantly damaged some poor blokes wood area because of the actions of the person who blocked the lane.... not nit picking just a thought... it vould have just as easilly been the wood owner and the lane owner are the same person... who knows


all i can say is there are lots of lanes being closed is it due to the actions of a few idiots or the lack of balls to protest by many people

just my thoughts

[extreme-4x4]

thats what i wanted to disguss... i had hoped we could debate this subject without having to resort to name calling and singling out one person

so does crag work.... really.... i mean the sarn is closed yet crag fixed it up

i expect there are other examples for and against

should we do it softly softly or protest. we still have a right to protest peacefully

so please can we be grown ups and discuss it and stop this playground bullying

[Terranosaurus]

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

as for terra going around an obstickle and going int a wood to go round. its not nesseserily the wood owner who is responsible for the blocked lane. so you could have anadvertantly damaged some poor blokes wood area because of the actions of the person who blocked the lane.... not nit picking just a thought... it vould have just as easilly been the wood owner and the lane owner are the same person... who knows

No but it is the landowners responsibility to keep the lane clear. In that case it wasfallen tree which considering the high winds had been a few weeks previous and the ide back on the tree had been fallen for some time - long enough in fact for a trach around to hav developed in the woods, it han't had loas of traffic but there was a line visible that people had used.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

No but it is the landowners responsibility to keep the lane clear. In that case it wasfallen tree which considering the high winds had been a few weeks previous and the ide back on the tree had been fallen for some time - long enough in fact for a trach around to hav developed in the woods, it han't had loas of traffic but there was a line visible that people had used.

I'd absolutely agree with that viewpoint Terra - all I think we're trying to point out is how easy it is to stray without knowing you're doing it. I'm still in the dark as to what significant deviation we made on Strata as its impossible in some parts to tell what is the original track and what isn't.

If nobody wants to tell us, yet thinks its worthy of criticism then I don't know what we do.

BTW your cheque is in the post today for the lights, sorry for the delay.

[Terranosaurus]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

I'd absolutely agree with that viewpoint Terra - all I think we're trying to point out is how easy it is to stray without knowing you're doing it. I'm still in the dark as to what significant deviation we made on Strata as its impossible in some parts to tell what is the original track and what isn't.

This is why you should view the definitive map for your area or go with/speak to some one who has.

I have not seen the video in question so cannot comment on where or if anyone left the track but from the sounds of it one person took a different line at some point and that was not on the lane. I have also seen a photo of a frontera in the group off the lane the obvious line of the lane.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

This is why you should view the definitive map for your area or go with/speak to some one who has.

I have not seen the video in question so cannot comment on where or if anyone left the track but from the sounds of it one person took a different line at some point and that was not on the lane. I have also seen a photo of a frontera in the group off the lane the obvious line of the lane.

Yes that Fronty was the transgression I referred to earlier Terra that I spotted as we were driving.

TNH I did look at the SF route on Trailfinder, ditto the Soar-Y-Mynydd track that Nathan recommended, and have to say that I just don't think they provide enough detail to be able to say which of two tracks, only feet apart in most cases, is the right one. And with a track like SF thats what, 12-14 miles long, its impossible to track every inch of the way accurately, especially with the amount of traffic you'd be blocking in the process.

So I can see why people inadvertantly stray off the path, although you're right, theres no excuse for taking a route that clearly destroys or deteriorates an area, like peat, that was obviously not part of the original route..in this case it was youthful enthusiasm and inexperience and he very quickly got back on to the rocky track again having realised what he'd done.