Foul Play?

Banshee · 13-02-2017, 09:45

Not only were these chumps parked on a red route during a time prohibited as per the signage ft away from their vehicle, but they had also made the attempt to obscure their vehicle behind signage

I may have been going a tad bit quicker than I should have been (35-36 in a 30) I got out to take pictures just in case I have to fight it.

What's the score with speed camera vehicles and signage anyway? I thought there were regulations stipulating that they had to display signage a certain distance away from the vehicles etc

Discuss??

Banshee · 13-02-2017, 09:54

Just found this on the House of Commons site on signage

On signing, it states:
Camera signs should continue to be co-located with speed limit signs where permitted and practicable.

For fixed speed enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs should continue to be placed to allow the signs and speed camera to be visible to the driver in the same view. A camera sign may also be placed not more than 1 km from the first camera housing in the direction being enforced (including or excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership).

For mobile enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs should continue to be placed in advance of the point of entry to the site or route (including or excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership) in the direction being enforced. Camera signs should also continue to be placed thereafter at intervals of around 1 km throughout the length being enforced.10

7 DfT, Use of speed and red-light cameras for traffic enforcement: guidance on deployment, visibility and signing (DfT Circular 01/2007), 31 January 2007
8 ibid., p8
9 ibid., paras 22-23
10 ibid., para 41 4

terranosaurusdoug · 13-02-2017, 10:20

I think there is a free legal advice forum, post the pics on that mate, it looks dodgy I'm sure a pro will pick them to pieces. I also thought that doing that sort of thing you have to be in proper employment with the law enforcement in that area, they look more like to me. Also is it only static cameras that have to be highly visible (yellow) to drivers??

solarman216 · 13-02-2017, 10:22

did you go back up the road Zac to check that they had or had not placed an advance sign? Rick

Banshee · 13-02-2017, 10:35

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Originally Posted by solarman216

did you go back up the road Zac to check that they had or had not placed an advance sign? Rick

Yes I did, there was nothing!!!!!

Banshee · 13-02-2017, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by terranosaurusdoug

I think there is a free legal advice forum, post the pics on that mate, it looks dodgy I'm sure a pro will pick them to pieces. I also thought that doing that sort of thing you have to be in proper employment with the law enforcement in that area, they look more like to me. Also is it only static cameras that have to be highly visible (yellow) to drivers??

They have to have signage out I'm sure

don simon · 13-02-2017, 11:07

Surely that's not a speed camera, is it?
These are just misuse of roads, ie driving in bus lanes etc, cameras.

Banshee · 13-02-2017, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by don simon

Surely that's not a speed camera, is it?
These are just misuse of roads, ie driving in bus lanes etc, cameras.

I think it was deffo a speed trap!!!

zippy656 · 13-02-2017, 19:22

Just be a SMART ass as you have photos of them beeing in wrong place

Monaro Pete · 14-02-2017, 19:36

Police officials may park illegally to gather evidence of a crime (speeding included).

The general public cannot, these council workers are just that "the public".

They are parked illegally & therefore any evidence collected of speeding is null & void.

I looked this up for my mate that was done for speeding by the police in a marked car. They where parked on a slip road to a dual carriageway blocking off one lane. Stupid yes, but not illegal

I think you'll find Zak that they where collecting evidence of untaxed, uninsured & MOT'ed expired vehicles.

Banshee · 14-02-2017, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monaro Pete

Police officials may park illegally to gather evidence of a crime (speeding included).

The general public cannot, these council workers are just that "the public".

They are parked illegally & therefore any evidence collected of speeding is null & void.

I looked this up for my mate that was done for speeding by the police in a marked car. They where parked on a slip road to a dual carriageway blocking off one lane. Stupid yes, but not illegal

I think you'll find Zak that they where collecting evidence of untaxed, uninsured & MOT'ed expired vehicles.

Very reassuring to hear, thanks mate

PCr_1 · 15-02-2017, 21:37

I don't think this is a speed camera.

13-02-2017, 09:45	#1
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13-02-2017, 09:54	#2
Banshee Moderator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West Midlands Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van Posts: 13,526	Just found this on the House of Commons site on signage On signing, it states: Camera signs should continue to be co-located with speed limit signs where permitted and practicable. For fixed speed enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs should continue to be placed to allow the signs and speed camera to be visible to the driver in the same view. A camera sign may also be placed not more than 1 km from the first camera housing in the direction being enforced (including or excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership). For mobile enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs should continue to be placed in advance of the point of entry to the site or route (including or excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership) in the direction being enforced. Camera signs should also continue to be placed thereafter at intervals of around 1 km throughout the length being enforced.10 7 DfT, Use of speed and red-light cameras for traffic enforcement: guidance on deployment, visibility and signing (DfT Circular 01/2007), 31 January 2007 8 ibid., p8 9 ibid., paras 22-23 10 ibid., para 41 4 __________________ Moderator 04' Terrano II SE 2.7 TDi SWB Commercial in Silver - Project Thread Toyo Open Country M/T 33's on 10J Steels, Super Strong Steering Job Navara D22 Snorkel, Front LOKKA, Maunal Hubs, EGR Blank TunitII ECU Chip, 3" Body Lift, 2" Suss Lift, Heat Exchanger Black Interior, 3.0 Borg&Beck Clutch, Eckes Heated Fuel Filter 99' Y61 Patrol GR SE 2.8 TD6 LWB in Blue/Silver - Project Thread Engine Transplant - In Progress!!!

13-02-2017, 10:22	#4
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,430	did you go back up the road Zac to check that they had or had not placed an advance sign? Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

13-02-2017, 10:20	#3
terranosaurusdoug Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Yorkshire, J33 M62 Vehicle: 2000 Terrano lwb 2.7TDI Posts: 5,500	I think there is a free legal advice forum, post the pics on that mate, it looks dodgy I'm sure a pro will pick them to pieces. I also thought that doing that sort of thing you have to be in proper employment with the law enforcement in that area, they look more like to me. Also is it only static cameras that have to be highly visible (yellow) to drivers??

13-02-2017, 11:07	#7
don simon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Gone. Vehicle: Terrano ii Posts: 2,215	Surely that's not a speed camera, is it? These are just misuse of roads, ie driving in bus lanes etc, cameras.

13-02-2017, 19:22	#9
zippy656 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Devizes Wiltshire Vehicle: Nissan Note Ntec 1.5 Posts: 14,137	Just be a SMART ass as you have photos of them beeing in wrong place

14-02-2017, 19:36	#10
Monaro Pete Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Nr J28 M1 Vehicle: 03 Terrano 2.7 TDi Posts: 995	Police officials may park illegally to gather evidence of a crime (speeding included). The general public cannot, these council workers are just that "the public". They are parked illegally & therefore any evidence collected of speeding is null & void. I looked this up for my mate that was done for speeding by the police in a marked car. They where parked on a slip road to a dual carriageway blocking off one lane. Stupid yes, but not illegal I think you'll find Zak that they where collecting evidence of untaxed, uninsured & MOT'ed expired vehicles.

15-02-2017, 21:37	#12
PCr_1 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: West Yorkshire Vehicle: Now Have 3L SVE Terrano Posts: 35	I don't think this is a speed camera.