Hello and help!

[Phlipper]

Hi all,
I've just bought myself a Terrano II 2.7TDi on a 53 plate with 136k on the clock for £695. I thought I was getting a bargain but have now noticed a quite large rust hole in the outer sill at the bottom of the rear wheel arch just under the rear passenger door. I swear the hole wasn't there when I looked her over and test drove only earlier today. Private sale I'm afraid, and a short MOT. Now I'm wondering if I've been caught. IS there any option other than welding?

[macabethiel]

A bit late in the day now but did you look at the Mot history online before you bought. Sills do not rot overnight they would probably been an advisory over the last couple of years.

Getting a sill replaced or part replaced is not a big job to get done as long as you don't mind painting them black with underseal or Hammerite afterwards.

This link might help you, if it's a genuine private sale then you don't have much recourse.

https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history

[jims-terrano]

Welcome aboard but sorry to read your circumstances. Unfortunately these trucks do suffer from the tin worm. As said the sills are an easy fix but because they are "within 300mm of a body or chassis mounting" (that's what a fail report will say) any repair needs to be structurally sound so welding is the only option. Now here's your next problem, check the inner sill and also the rear seat belt mounting in the rear wheel arch as these places rot too. There are more rot spots too but once repaired these makes really good vehicles and pay you back in spade loads. You paid a fair price so don't be too down hearted.

Where abouts are you? We may know of skilled people that can help with repairs.

Good luck

[rustic]

Hi and welcome to the forum. It would be nice to see some pics of your truck lol.

There are probably more posts on how to replace sills and replace the sills with steel box section, than any other subject.
There are loads of project threads tackling this issue with great photos and hints and tips.

However to easily access them, you need to become a full member, and pay your £10. You will not regret that small investment.:thumb2

These trucks are worth keeping, mine is 22 years old, and good for another 10.
There are a few even older, so hang on in there.:thumb2
If the gearbox, transfer box and 4x4 system are all fully operational, then many of the other niggling tasks, arb's, wheel bearings etc, can be cheaply replaced or simply adjusted. We like cheap fixes.

Many of the vehicles of your age and older, are still passing MOT's first time, most without advisories.
However, it is not without some preventative maintenance and a few running repairs.
If you know of a local reliable welder, then your repairs shouldn't be that bad.

If you look under the rear carpet, where the second row of seats are, then you might find some rust. Some have some serious rust here, but can be overcome with some proactive welding. :augie

You have paid a fair price for it's condition, but under floor rust and rot, especially around the rear seat belt mounts in the wheel arch can be quite a shock having looked at the threads on the subject, but can be repaired.

Again welcome on board.
Rustic

[Phlipper]

Thanks guys, that makes me feel a bit better. I'll post some pics soon. I'm in Swansea, by the way.

[Phlipper]

Great link by the way, wish I'd known about it before, corrosion advisory on last 2 years, untested before that because of underseal

[jims-terrano]

You could try and hide it but it is structural and if anything were to happen. Have you checked any of the other spots for rot yet?

Oh check your front anti roll bar end links, the bushes perish and the ball joints wear too. Only about £15 each and not difficult to fit.

[Phlipper]

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[jims-terrano]

Sorry your pics haven't posted

[Phlipper]

Sorry your pics haven't posted

I think I may be missing something... do you have to post links to pictures, or can you attach them somehow?

[Phlipper]

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[Phlipper]

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[Phlipper]

One more strange one... on the log book it just states Nissan for make of vehicle, but the model is blank - also the insurance engines can't find anything when I input the registration (although the DVLA does). Has anyone had this before?

[jims-terrano]

Has it been on a private plate before you got it? They don't always transfer everything. Nice looking truck and that hole although probably an mot fail isn't too serious.

[Phlipper]

No evidence of a private plate, but I didn't go all the way back. I think I'll get that sill patched in the short term, and replace the sill when it's more convenient

[Banshee]

Hi and Welcome

MOT history seems to work for that Reg, corrosion has been picked up as early as 2011 and seems a few MOT's later somone has tried to hide the fact with underseal or some such to obscure it :nenau

https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/

[Phlipper]

Yes, noticed that - no doubt it's been through one or two 'unofficial trade salesman' around here. The area is rife with wannabee car dealers, and I normally manage to avoid them like the plague.

[Phlipper]

It leaves me a little confused over what model I've actually got though - an S or an SE, and I see some sites referring to some as a Station Wagon and some not? How do I tell the difference?

[jims-terrano]

From your photos yours is defo not an SE.

Dealers often refer to station wagon and estate meaning the same body style. I believe V5 describe Terranos as estates. Take a look around on ebay and autotrader for similar models to yours to give you some idea of model. Please don't take this the wrong way but yours looks to be a basic model, reason I say this is that it doesn't have the deep plastic mouldings down the doors. I've been thinking about it since earlier, I wonder if it is what was called a grey import. A grey import is a vehicle that may have been ordered in europe as a rhd vehicle but actually bought in say France or even republic of ireland. You could go to a dealer and see if they could look it up on their system against reg number and chassis number.

Have you done a hpi type check before you bought it? If not do it for peace of mind. I personally don't think you have much to worry about. Is there a service book or anything with the car?

I'm sure you'll be fine, get the patches welded and enjoy driving a great motor. By the way there are no official replacement sills available, tdoug found a friendly fabricator near him who folded some sheet steel to fit his sills and replaced them that way.

[Phlipper]

That would make sense -it is VERY basic (it's replaced a top of the line Grand Espace that's gone to it's grave). :lol

[jims-terrano]

That would make sense -it is VERY basic (it's replaced a top of the line Grand Espace that's gone to it's grave). :lol

Less to go wrong:thumbs

[zippy656]

Check if you've the Bosch set up.

Can run on cooking oil :thumbs

[Phlipper]

cooking oil... really!? Is it much of a faff to do that?

[zippy656]

cooking oil... really!? Is it much of a faff to do that?

Open filler cap.


Pour in

Drive off

[terranosaurusdoug]

Open filler cap.


Pour in

Drive off


Get in front of blocky10 on laning trip...

Rev engine...

p155 him off :D:naughty

[Blocky10]

Get in front of blocky10 on laning trip...

Rev engine...

p155 him off :D:naughty

It's like being stoned. Constantly starving hungry:surrender

[don simon]

Open filler cap.


Pour in

Drive off
Used cooking oil might want to be filtered a bit, but off the shelf cooking oil goes straight in.
Have a read of this. (http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html)

[Banshee]

It's all about the correct mods for the ratio that you want to run. These engines and pumps would do a 50/50 mix until the chassis dropped in half with no modification needed other than regular fuel filter changes.

I've gone the whole hog though sir in an attempt to prove that you can run 100% Vegetable Oil all year around with no additives, no diesel, nothing!!!!!

To get to this state though I've done a fair few mods and still some to go including;

Heated Eckes Fuel Filter Mod
Heat Exchanger
Removed Banjo Filter in IP
Decent Glow Plugs
Decent Battery and probably a few more things that I can't remember right now :splif

It has come at a cost though, running such high ratios neat has meant that the rubber seals on my Bosch pump have perished and my pump is now leaking and I get the EML light every journey with the same DTC 21 every time!!! I'll be doing a pump rebuild soon on a spare I have on the workbench that I'll be fitting vegetable oil proof Viton seals to :clap :naughty

[Banshee]

Veg Life Forever!!!!!!

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[Phlipper]

Think I'll let it settle a while before giving it a try. The niggles are starting to mount in just the few miles I've done so far.
When cold I can't get her into gear, I have to turn it off , put her in 1st and restart with clutch down. Gears are difficult, particularly with low revs, but get better as she warms up. Any ideas? I'm guessing it's the clutch, but it's puzzling me that it's not the same when the engine is warm (I should have spotted that it had a warm engine when i went to see it really - shiny new car syndrome methinks).

[jims-terrano]

This might be a Solarman with your gears. However, my first thoughts are change the gear oil.

By the way if you hear a horrible grinding clunk when manouvering at low speed it'll be your steering stops that need greasing.

Take a look at the downloads section in quick links as there are plenty how to guides. Nice to see you've turned blue by the way, you'll not regret it.

[RJL Services]

Could be air in clutch system try pumping the peday a few times when you first get in if it improves then this might be an:thumb2 area to look at

[Banshee]

I had the difficulty engaging gears when cold and mine improved when warm too. I had 80w-90 in the gearbox and it was awful.

When I did my clutch swap I drained it and refilled with Comma SX75W-90 GL4

That is the crucial part, GL5 will eat the copper components in these gearboxes!!!!

https://image.ibb.co/khRYea/20161220_184511.jpg

[macabethiel]

One more strange one... on the log book it just states Nissan for make of vehicle, but the model is blank - also the insurance engines can't find anything when I input the registration (although the DVLA does). Has anyone had this before?

That sounds like an Import as the V5 registration Book is generated by the DVLA is from the Manufacturers V55/1 or 2 form that contains all the vehicle specification including, Manufacturer, Model, Engine & Chassis details, Emissions, Type Approval, etc or in later cases by a similar electronic version during a Dealers Direct Registration to DVLA called AFRL.

Import (V5) log books are generated by filling in a V55/5 manually, quite often these only contain very basic details such as Manufacturer and type as 4x4 as the original registration document will be in the language where the vehicle was first registered. If it Japan of a language with a different alphabet then details will be minimal.

You can tell if it is imported as the front outer page of the V5 document will have an entry in section 3 near the bottom declaring the vehicle has been registered or used overseas plus the year of manufacture. This will be a different date to that on page 2 - this will be the date of first registration in the UK.

In very rare cases some vehicle details can be missing where a duplicate form V55/1 or 2 has been generated by a UK dealer as the original has been lost or spoilt. This is done by filling in a blank V55/1 or 2 but these were a high security document when I was in the trade and I only ever came across one such form.

Hope this helps.

[Phlipper]

Well... she's gone in for her MOT today (the garage is doing the weld patch), but on the way to the garage I noticed the hazard light switch isn't connected to anything. The mechanic said instantly that the button didn't look like the right fit to him, and the harness connectors don't fit on the button that's in place. Any ideas? This button is above the hole for the stereo, but on the images I can find on the net the stereo panel looks far more of an integrated affair - mine is much plainer, just a hole for the stereo and the hazard button above. Can't find anything on eBay to remedy this and the connectors that are hanging suggest to me that the panel should be different because the connector that must run to the hazard switch looks a bit more complicated than needed.

[Phlipper]

Please ignore... images won't post
Might have some light on it... found an identical spec for sale, console looks like this:
http://www.kingscarsales.co.uk/used-car/nissan/terrano-ii-s/2-7-tdi-4x4/for-sale-in-cinderford-gloucestershire/aetv22017605/
Whereas mine looks like this:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stereo+console+nissan+terrano+II&tbm=isch&imgil=iTIot72o55r6tM%253A%253B206ZYQXQph7g4M%253Bh ttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%25252Fwat ch%25253Fv%2525253DSbamNFl0clg&source=iu&pf=m&fir=iTIot72o55r6tM%253A%252C206ZYQXQph7g4M%252C_&usg=__C6K-dGbXZAIADV6-v-OJUxVprII%3D&biw=1280&bih=918&ved=0ahUKEwiV9OaCuIvWAhVpBMAKHRgaBm4QyjcIMw&ei=ZjqtWZWpC-mIgAaYtJjwBg#imgrc=sFJdLX6psZwjSM:

[Banshee]

Please ignore... images won't post
Might have some light on it... found an identical spec for sale, console looks like this:
http://www.kingscarsales.co.uk/used-car/nissan/terrano-ii-s/2-7-tdi-4x4/for-sale-in-cinderford-gloucestershire/aetv22017605/
Whereas mine looks like this:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stereo+console+nissan+terrano+II&tbm=isch&imgil=iTIot72o55r6tM%253A%253B206ZYQXQph7g4M%253Bh ttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%25252Fwat ch%25253Fv%2525253DSbamNFl0clg&source=iu&pf=m&fir=iTIot72o55r6tM%253A%252C206ZYQXQph7g4M%252C_&usg=__C6K-dGbXZAIADV6-v-OJUxVprII%3D&biw=1280&bih=918&ved=0ahUKEwiV9OaCuIvWAhVpBMAKHRgaBm4QyjcIMw&ei=ZjqtWZWpC-mIgAaYtJjwBg#imgrc=sFJdLX6psZwjSM:

Fixed your links :thumb2 You didn't need the bits for hyperlinks :thumbs

[Phlipper]

Thanks!

[Phlipper]

Well... it seems I've been done up like a kipper :doh
My mechanic just phoned me, the car's come from the MOT test with FIVE PAGES of failures :(:(
It seems I've paid £695 for a decent looking piece of scrap, I can't find it in myself to try and pass on the bad luck to some other poor soul, leaving me stuck without a car. Mechanic's going to take a good look at it himself on the ramp to see if it just reads worse than it is, but I'm not holding out much hope.

[solarman216]

Oh what shi* but even a private sale has a redress if you were told lies about the condition of the vehicle, lets see what your guy says about the report, Rick

[RJL Services]

i just dont no how people can do this and sleep at i had a female customer come to me when i had my yard with a nissan mistral she had bought of some guy in derby it had 10months mot on it after a couple of weeks with her collecting some parts for it she asked me to change the gearbox oil i put it on the ramp and the hole rear floor under the rear seats was not connected just rotten away the only thing keeping the seats in was it locks and she was carring a six month old in a car seat in the back i advised her to seek legal advice speak to vosa etc but she was to scared to being a single mum i ended up selling her my mistral after putting it on the ramp and showing her the difference between them she gave me her old one to salvage what i could the engine was sold to go into a navara :lol and 4yrs on she is still driving my old mistral

[Phlipper]

Unfortunately I think he covered himself there, I specifically asked about what it would need for the MOT and he began with the phrase "As far as I know a couple of bushes and a drop link arm". So I'm down to caveat emptor it would seem. This is the first time in years I've bought a car from a trader, and I've travelled all over the country to buy cars off eBay, because I generally find that private sellers are honest, and even the dishonest ones aren't as bad as a rogue dealer.
Still waiting to hear from my mechanic, but I'll let you know the prognosis when it comes in.

[rustic]

If you bought from a trader, you must have some redress, one would expect a trader to have a better idea about the condition of a vehicle than most buyers.
Also he has probably driven it, had it on a ramp etc, and knows exactly what's wrong with it.

Zac is the guy to take with you lol, when I turned up at the Rustic Roadshow meet with my Mav, he was under it like a ferret... pics flashes.

To be fair, some things are difficult to find, a few years back I missed a couple of front arb poly bushes, that the garage replaced at the Mot for a modest charge.
Rustic

[Thomas61]

Sorry to hear of your situation.

If all else fails then you may be able to make back some of your money, the wings if in good condition (no rust) seem to be up for sale on ebay from anything between £60 to £150 each and that radio panel on it's own if it is the one with the single din radio hole and a separate hazard switch hole is £100 new and again on ebay I have seen them for £50 but do not come up that often so can be sort after. If it has a parcel shelf then that could be another £30 plus whatever you get for the rest of the car as scrap.

Hope it does not come to that though.

Good luck and take care.

[Phlipper]

Here's the list of failures - I'd be interested to know what you guys think
Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively both (8.2.2)
Offside Stop lamp not working (1.2.1b)
Nearside Front position lamp(s) not working (1.1.A.3b)
Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded outer sill (2.4.A.3)
Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded outer sill (2.4.A.3)
Nearside Rear Suspension spring mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded holed/broken (2.4.A.3)
Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded chassi holed (2.4.A.3)
Nearside Rear Anti-roll bar attachment bracket/mounting insecure (2.4.G.1)
Offside Rear Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded chassi holed (2.4.A.3)
Nearside Rear Anti-roll bar linkage has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Rear Anti-roll bar linkage has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Rear Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Emissions not tested centre exhaust holed (7.3.A.1)
Exhaust has a major leak of exhaust gases centre (7.1.2)
Nearside Front wheel bearing has excessive play and o/s/f (2.5.A.3c)
Offside Front constant velocity joint gaiter damaged to the extent that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt etc (2.5.C.1a)
Front Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded both front inner arches (2.4.A.3)
Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded both rear inner arches (2.4.A.3)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm ball joint dust cover excessively damaged so that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt (2.4.G.2)
Advisory notice item(s)
Windscreen has damage to an area less than a 40mm circle outside zone 'A' (8.3.1d)
oil leak
Front brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i)
front subframe corroded
fuel lines corroded
front and rear chassi corroded
Nearside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Front Brake hose has slight corrosion to ferrules both sides (3.6.B.4e)
various areas corroded

[RJL Services]

looks like the trader sold a dangerous vehicle to a vulnerable person :eek:i would go back to him and show him the failure sheet and ask he takes it back or repairs it and i would also get some advise from trading standards vosa etc how was it advertised etc rouge dealer by the looks of it

[Phlipper]

I don't think he was a genuine trader, although he told me he'd taken the car part-ex. Here's the original ad I responded to:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.gumtree.com/p/nissan/2003-nissan-terrano-2.7-tdi-diesel-4x4-7-seater/1263563276

[RJL Services]

i think he new what he was selling thats why he put he would want a lot more for it with a mot on his ad he was aware what i would cost to get a mot on it
dodgy seller to me taking advantage of someone

[macabethiel]

I would certainly go back and say it is unfit to be on the road and ask for a refund or ask him to put 12 months test on her. Take someone like Giant Haystacks with you when you ask nicely.

What's the worse that can happen - he says no or offers to buy it back a little cheaper?

A good friend of my wife's has just bought a Petrol Rav4 from a local small trader. She said she was going to ask my advice before she bought it but decided it looked so good she would not risk loosing it so went ahead and bought it. My wife told me to keep my mouth shut and not tell her what I thought about the vehicle. The interior is immaculate as is the exterior apart from the rear bumper, it has only done about 65k miles being an 03 plate paid £850 but............

I just could not tell her she had bought a Pup so I have stayed silent I looked at the MoT history and it has loads or corrosion history over the last 3 tests. The EML light is on, it has about £300 of damage to the back bumper and wing caused by the trader who knocked £90 off as a good will gesture. The only good part is it has a years MoT but I doubt the Seat Belt Mounts and the floor rot have been repaired properly if at all. Both headlights are so milky I can't see how it passed an MoT.

Sadly there are some Crooks out there with no conscience.

[jims-terrano]

The advert does say PRIVATE seller.

I'd like to see the fail sheet too, I'm not saying the vehicle doesn't need work doing but has the tester been over zealous too.

Good luck what ever happens.

[Phlipper]

The fail sheet is listed on the previous page.
The ad says private, but he has another car up now stating he took it in part ex, and he also told me again today that he took the Terrano in part ex. He didn't object when I stayed he must have known about the work needed for MOT, and he didn't know about checking MOT history online. He's goimg to look at the fail list and then speak to me.

[rustic]

Tell him that you have spoken to some forum friends, Uncle Rustic in particular, and they get the impression that the seller is an honourable man, tried to sell the car in good faith, but appeared to be unaware of the true extent of the work required to sort it. As such, it is my belief that he will give you a complete refund.
Shake hands and every one is happy.


It is also my belief that Santa Claus exists.
Uncle Rustic :thumb2

[jims-terrano]

Just looked back and seen the list. Actually depends how handy you are at repairs but it isn't beyond repair from the list. The bright side is that once these are repaired they're going to last a long time before they need repairing again. I guess your biggest problem is the welding, it's fixable but depends on repair costs and how much you can or can't do yourself.
The mechanical is really run of the mill.

[solarman216]

Having read the fail list, I would say the tester is a mumpty, ie rear sills are not part of the rear suspension, like wise front inner arches are part part of the body not the suspension, most of the other stuff is just general, the worst parts are chassis corrosion, but need to be seen to discover if really serious or not, I had a "JustMOT" place try and tell me my front wings (covered in gaffer tape) were a failure due to suspension, never been back there, and it has gone through 3 passes since, but looking to change the wings now as have a pair and do not want to push my luck, (the gaffer tape is struggling to hold them together now) Rick

[Banshee]

At the risk of sounding really harsh I'll apologise in advance, but did you not get under the truck with a torch before handing any cash over to see what it was like under there?

The fail sheet is pretty extensive and some serious structural components failed there, even with no knowledge of vehicles at all, if there are holes and it's crusty and orange under there then you should have walked away :nenau

What was the name on the V5 when you signed it over? If it was a private sale then it should have been the seller, if it was the previous owners name before the guy you brought it off then it was likely a trade sale in which case I reckon you may have a better case.

Always try the firm and professional approach first, it works wonder when you are armed with facts, figures and a legal approach. See how he responds and don't take any rubbish.

If you're not getting anywhere fast after a couple of weeks and he starts becoming angry, obnoxious etc etc, then I'm afraid it might be time to get the Balaclava out and the Transit :cool:

If you're not that way inclined then you'll just have to settle with this being valuable life lesson and stump up for another new motor or getting this one repaired, but looking at that fail sheet, I'd probably scrap it, but hard to say unless I've seen underneath first hand

[Phlipper]

I did slide under Banshee, but to be honest it looked remarkably clean to me! There was some rust that I presumed to be surface rust because it looked (at least to my untrained eye) no worse than my car which has never even had an advisory for rust.
I've just come back from the garage and I'm livid! It turns out the cracked windscreen was caused by the chassis flexing because of the level of corrosion. I'm so angry that the seller watched me put my grand-daughter into that car and drive off.
He's refusing to answer the phone to me now, I get his missus answering, stating he's not there, then slipping it onto speakerphone so he can hear what I'm saying.
Thanks to Google cache I've collected loads of evidence that he's actually a trader, not a private seller. These days you have to go through Citizen's Advice to be referred to Trading Standards, so I've done the first bit and I'm hoping that TS get back to me (it's purely at their discretion :eek: ).
I still don't have too much hope of recompense, but I'm going to make sure that I'm a thorn in that guy's side for as long as he's selling cars.
On the plus side, I've located a Grand Cherokee 4.0L (lpg) and the guy (a mechanic) wants the Terrano in the deal because he'll weld it himself and put it to work on a farm. He's also willing to put a new ticket on the GC.
The garage quoted me £700 just for the welding - and those are backstreet prices for an old friend!

[RJL Services]

might be worth contacting gumtree to and advise them of your problem as a trader he has to pay to advertise so by saying it is a private sale he has avoided having to pay to list it on there so conned them too might not lead to anything but the more sh.t you can give the better you will feel:lol hope all goes well with new car:thumbs

[Phlipper]

Oh, I also retrieved the photos he put on the gumtree ad from Google, and he had covered up the hole in the sill, which is why I didn't spot it.
The log book wasn't him on it - I'm trying to get in contact with the previous owner so that I can track where he part-ex'd it etc. so I have full details of where it came from and through when I set about legally making his life a misery.
I'm afraid my balaclava days are over - but I'm a black belt at being a pain in the arse!

[RJL Services]

nice A board outside his place telling people what he is like or a gentle stroll past his car with some battery acid trip on little stone and over the car it went sorry officer :lol

[Phlipper]

Lol

[macabethiel]

I did slide under Banshee, but to be honest it looked remarkably clean to me! There was some rust that I presumed to be surface rust because it looked (at least to my untrained eye) no worse than my car which has never even had an advisory for rust.
I've just come back from the garage and I'm livid! It turns out the cracked windscreen was caused by the chassis flexing because of the level of corrosion. I'm so angry that the seller watched me put my grand-daughter into that car and drive off.
He's refusing to answer the phone to me now, I get his missus answering, stating he's not there, then slipping it onto speakerphone so he can hear what I'm saying.
Thanks to Google cache I've collected loads of evidence that he's actually a trader, not a private seller. These days you have to go through Citizen's Advice to be referred to Trading Standards, so I've done the first bit and I'm hoping that TS get back to me (it's purely at their discretion :eek: ).
I still don't have too much hope of recompense, but I'm going to make sure that I'm a thorn in that guy's side for as long as he's selling cars.
On the plus side, I've located a Grand Cherokee 4.0L (lpg) and the guy (a mechanic) wants the Terrano in the deal because he'll weld it himself and put it to work on a farm. He's also willing to put a new ticket on the GC.
The garage quoted me £700 just for the welding - and those are backstreet prices for an old friend!

That's bad news is he local to you or too far to pay him a visit ?

Just a word of warning the Jeep Grand Cherokee will in all probability cost you a fair bit in maintenance depending how old it is and if it's a WJ series or older. Give you an idea my WJ 2.7 CRD XS model is an early 2005 registered. We bought it in Jan 2015 with FSH and 69-70 k on the clock. Now done 102k and has cost £2300 in service & repairs including tyres. Main costs this year have been on the suspension.

There are others on here who have run Jeeps or have LPG conversion experience. My son-in-law had a LPG conversion on his Audi A8 and it never seemed to run right. I think there is a wide range of conversions and quality with LPG. Don't forget you can't use Eurotunnel with LPG vehicle.

[Phlipper]

Thanks maca'
I've now bought a 2005 Kia Sorento 3.5 v6 auto with an LPG conversion. It's a lovely car, drives like new but was owned by a painter/decorator so the leather has splashes of white paint dotted around and the car stinks strongly of paint thinner (currently trying the ground coffee trick as we speak). I'm hoping I'll have better luck this time, still wondering what to do for the best about the Terrano though.
Apparently you can't actually speak to Trading Standards these days, you have to go through Citizens Advice, who then refer you to TS, and you just have to wait and see if they contact you.
In an ideal world, I'd think a rogue trader posing as a private seller who sold and watched a man load a 7yr old child into a deathtrap would peak the interest of TS, sadly I fear we don't live in that world these days. I suspect that a small claim against him will only be me throwing good money after bad (been down that route before, and if he knows the law he'll know just how toothless the system is). He's selling under a few pseudonyms too, so when I finally pin down which one is his real name I'm going to make sure that he's well publicised.

[RJL Services]

drive it to his place block his access take wheels of it spray paint terrano with slogans about the death trap he sold you so every one knows take local press with you :augie

[Banshee]

drive it to his place block his access take wheels of it spray paint terrano with slogans about the death trap he sold you so every one knows take local press with you :augie

This guy knows the drill!!!!

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[macabethiel]

drive it to his place block his access take wheels of it spray paint terrano with slogans about the death trap he sold you so every one knows take local press with you :augie

I agree with your sentiments but I just could not do it I lack the courage!

[Phlipper]

Could do with a bit of urgent advice if anyone's about?

[solarman216]

What do you want to know? Rick

[Phlipper]

I put my wreck up for sale on ebay at £650, because there seem to be a few non-runners up at around that price, and I've just been offered £500 to take it tomorrow. I'm just wondering if they are genuinely fetching 6 - 700 as doer-uppers? Have you any experience with this... don't really want to be out of pocket £200, but a bird in the hand, as they say

[solarman216]

I would have offered you no more than £300 for it in that state, take the £500 now, Rick

[Phlipper]

Thank you, advice taken!