Legality of carrying objects in vehicle

[AlexD333]

So me and the missus were discussing earlier about a rather large pickaxe I have aquired. I'm gonna keep it in the terrano for emergencies. We were wondering the the police would class this as an offensive weapon.

I don't plan to use it often on other cars :augie

[Peasgood1]

How often do you expect to be in a situation where the police would find the need to search your car?

I rarely go out without guns, knives, axes etc etc. never a problem as i am not likely to be searched.

[rustic]

You will probably find that a pick axe handle or a base ball bat on their own, with out any other supporting items, will be considererd more as an offensive weapon. Too readily available.
A crook lock on it's own is more convincing.

Pick axe, some work gloves, a spade in the boot, with a bit of mud... sorted.
Mind you with that stuff, it looks as though you are going equipped to break in somewhere. Just ditch the bag with the word "swag" on it...:lol:lol

So if you do carry a base ball bat for sport, then keep it in a bag with the rest of the gear.:augie

A man was arrested carrying a petrol powered chain saw through a town.
Now if he was returning it to a shop... he should make sure it is covererd up, but this very young guy alleged he was a tree surgeon and was taking it to be sharpened. He did get very aggressive when challenged though.:doh

[supergnome]

Reason to carry...Pickaxe handle no reason. Large wheel brace or wrench wrapped in a cloth, probably justified.

[Fez_uk]

Never needed a pickaxe offroading, just take a spade.

[AlexD333]

Hmm ok good amount of different views, thanks all.

Sorry if I confused people it's a pickaxe and separate handle, both of which are wrapped up in different bags.

Hopefully it's just how you speak to the police if you get stopped. All of my encounters have been pleasant because I treat them so well :D

It's raining at the moment but I will take some pictures too. :thumb2

[Lazy-Ferret]

I think the main thing is "availability", e.g., in a zipped up bag in the boot is not the same as tucked down the side of the drivers seat. You need to go through several steps to get to it. Most of it is about attitude, and how it is packer. You can carry a 12inch carving knife in the high street, as long as it is wrapped up, and you have good cause to be carrying it at the time, e.g., just bought it or returning it.

Never needed a pickaxe offroading, just take a spade.

Like Fez, I can't really see why you would need a Pickaxe for off roading in this country, so it would make it hard to justify to a Police officer why you are carrying it. Even on the most out of the way "Byways" you should not need to be breaking up any form of hard surface, it normally the lack of hard surface that is the problem you are stuck in the first place, and going round breaking off rocks and boulders from the surrounding countryside will be very frowned upon.

[AlexD333]

I think the main thing is "availability", e.g., in a zipped up bag in the boot is not the same as tucked down the side of the drivers seat. You need to go through several steps to get to it. Most of it is about attitude, and how it is packer. You can carry a 12inch carving knife in the high street, as long as it is wrapped up, and you have good cause to be carrying it at the time, e.g., just bought it or returning it.



Like Fez, I can't really see why you would need a Pickaxe for off roading in this country, so it would make it hard to justify to a Police officer why you are carrying it. Even on the most out of the way "Byways" you should not need to be breaking up any form of hard surface, it normally the lack of hard surface that is the problem you are stuck in the first place, and going round breaking off rocks and boulders from the surrounding countryside will be very frowned upon.

True that true that. I guess I will have to keep it under my seat instead

Lol I may get a shovel instead

[rustic]

True that true that. I guess I will have to keep it under my seat instead

Lol I may get a shovel instead

How to confuse Alex...

Put a spade and a shovel in the corner and ask him to take his pick... :lol:lol

Sorry Alex, all the components from a well known joke.:lol:lol

[AlexD333]

How to confuse Alex...

Put a spade and a shovel in the corner and ask him to take his pick... :lol:lol

Sorry Alex, all the components from a well known joke.:lol:lol

Hey I don't blame you, I couldn't have resisted. :thumb2

[TONUP]

I regularly carry a locking blade pocket knife whilst I am at work to cut boxes, banding and cable ties etc.

The way I understand the law is that this blade is illegal, as the blade locks.

I am never sure if I can justify my carrying it for work related purposes or not though.

I think a lot of it would be down to the discretion of the police officer, and my attitude when questioned.

I would not carry it into the local park, or shopping center though.

Regards

Alan

[Lazy-Ferret]

I regularly carry a locking blade pocket knife whilst I am at work to cut boxes, banding and cable ties etc.

The way I understand the law is that this blade is illegal, as the blade locks.

I am never sure if I can justify my carrying it for work related purposes or not though.

I think a lot of it would be down to the discretion of the police officer, and my attitude when questioned.

I would not carry it into the local park, or shopping center though.

Regards

Alan

I was told once that Electricians can justify carrying a flick knife while working, as they need a knife they can open single handed, but it has to be in their tool box going to and from the place of work.

The whole locking blade is so hard, again, I would think that "Technically" you should have it in a tool box going to and from work rather than your pocket. I have a couple of Gerber multi-tools, and all the blades on them lock open, and because of the size, you tend to put them on your belt. I worked on customer sites all over the place, but in London, when you did not want to hump a full sized tool box on the Train, I used to carry it on me as it has most of the tools needed to do a quick mechanical fix on a computer.

Like you say, I think a lot of it is down to your attitude when you talk to the police, and what you were doing before or planing to do after you had it in your possession. Not to mention, how often are you randomly stopped and searched by a police officer. I have only ever been searched once in 49 years, and that was while driving home at 3am one morning, and the police had a road block, as they were looking for some guys who had just "Borrowed" £53 million pounds in cash from Securitas in Tonbridge! :augie

I have a Victorinox emergency tool in the car, that has various tools to break glass, cut laminated windows, and seat belts etc, and that again has all locking blades, but it was recommended as safety kit on our SE4x4R first aid course by an off duty police officer. To be fair, it lives in the car, and I do not tend to carry it with me when out and about walking anywhere, but it would cause nasty damage in the wrong hands.

[johnb5177]

I regularly have a tractor full of chainsaws, various blades, tools etc. I think 'tools of the trade' are acceptable things to carry when stowed away properly. When I worked in UK as countryside Manager, I was never without my Gerber multitool......ever.......its down to attitude and intent I think.
The 'tree sugeon' who was carrying an uncovered chainsaw in a town...to have it sharpened.....was a pratt of the first order......totally unacceptable.......firstly he should be able to sharpen it properly himself........secondly blade covers and black bin bags are cheap....

[Sweety]

Lock knifes are a bit of a no no these days in the eyes of the law but if it's a knife for work I think you can just get around it as there is nothing worse than having a sharp knife closing on your fingers:augie but i'm sure it's still legal to carry a knife which has a blade under 3" unless they have changed the law again:doh I've got 2 lock back knifes 1 with a 4" blade that I used to use for work & 1 that has a huge 3/4" blade that I carry on my keyring:lol

[Lazy-Ferret]

snip....

& 1 that has a huge 3/4" blade that I carry on my keyring:lol

Awww cute....:lol:lol

Don't let Makeitfit see it, otherwise we will have a whole new debate on what is and is not gay...:lol:augie

[melissachels]

I think the main thing is "availability", e.g., in a zipped up bag in the boot is not the same as tucked down the side of the drivers seat. You need to go through several steps to get to it. Most of it is about attitude, and how it is packer. You can carry a 12inch carving knife in the high street, as long as it is wrapped up, and you have good cause to be carrying it at the time, e.g., just bought it or returning it.

I have a better excuse than that for what I've got & why it could be in my car....my mates a sword smith:sly :augie & although mine isnt on display due to children I still like it to be cleaned & no to rust, but it is kept in a leather sheath that's tight & generally in the boot or toolbox if it going to get cleaned. I have been asked on several occasions why I have tools & hammers...eh! duh why do folk car tools...cos they're car breaks...:lol

I've been caught with lock backs that i'd had in my pocket or bag from being at the farm & opening a bale of hay or straw, wasn't

[Sweety]

Awww cute....:lol:lol

Don't let Makeitfit see it, otherwise we will have a whole new debate on what is and is not gay...:lol:augie

That's not a problem as I have tiny's big brother plus some much larger knifes, fantasy swords etc:lol

[davis8008]

I always carry my trusty opinel no8 knife with me (unless im going out for a drink or up town) has came in handy twice now, once there was a crash about 200 yards in front of me one of the vehicles fliped and ended up on the roof, I got to the driver luckily she wasn't badly hurt bit stuck in the motor, she freaked out a little when I pulled the knife out me pocket bless her but it was instinct to get her out so I cut the belt while my farther broke her landing, the other time I hit a fallow deer in my vectra, just clipet the arse end and broke its leg, bloody thing was howling its head off so I dispatched it, gutted it at the side of the road and had the fillet for dinner that sunday, was fecking beautiful!!!! still got abit of her in the freezer, from then on I've always said I'll alway carry it

as far as the law goes it's illegal to carry any knife that locks no matter what size the blade is, you can carry a knife with a blade up to 3" as long as it's not fixed blade and dosnt lock

[angusyoung1]

Says aloes about the UK when you can't even carry a lock knife. Bet all the criminals and gang members leave their's at home now

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[Sweety]

Bet all the criminals and gang members leave their's at home now

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Yes they have moved onto shot guns:doh:augie

[trophymick]

I always carry my Victorinox Swiss army knife in a leather belt pouch, a very useful tool.:thumb2

Here's a example of UK legal pocket knives.

http://www.heinnie.com/knives-and-tools/folding-blade/f/uk_friendly_carry/yes

[johnb5177]

I had a very real, surreal moment a while back, concerning knives......I had to work in Scotland for a while, and had to leave my opinel no.8 at home(air travel).
Had to purchase a new large chainsaw for the estate I was working on......no worries....had a good yarn with the dealer.....then I thought....I need a pocket knife while I'm here, so get another Opinal off the stand next to the pay point........I then was interrogated.......my age, what did I want the knife for, where I lived, what I did......then had to sign for it......totally absurd, unpoliceable regulations.......of course rogues and vagabonds will quickly subscribe to this.......won't they?

[Peasgood1]

There is talk in the news today about mandatory jail sentences for people found carrying knives.
It is just ridiculous! I hate the way knives have been so criminalised.
I always have a knife in my pocket and for quite some time it has been a lock knife. I use to to cut and pry various things throughout the day, it isn't there to threaten or stab people with. In fact it is a bit stiff to open, on the unlikely event of me being threatened I would have won or lost the battle long before I could open the blade. More likely than not I would chop my own fingers off fiddling with the damned thing. lol

Having said all that, I am well aware of the harm knives can do and all the wrongs in the seemingly popular trend for youths to "carry". Especially in view of recent events with that poor teacher.
It is people that cause this harm, not knives. That is where the education is needed rather than blanket bans on things. Look how the ban on handguns solved gun crime, Not!

[AlexD333]

There is talk in the news today about mandatory jail sentences for people found carrying knives.
It is just ridiculous! I hate the way knives have been so criminalised.
I always have a knife in my pocket and for quite some time it has been a lock knife. I use to to cut and pry various things throughout the day, it isn't there to threaten or stab people with. In fact it is a bit stiff to open, on the unlikely event of me being threatened I would have won or lost the battle long before I could open the blade. More likely than not I would chop my own fingers off fiddling with the damned thing. lol

Having said all that, I am well aware of the harm knives can do and all the wrongs in the seemingly popular trend for youths to "carry". Especially in view of recent events with that poor teacher.
It is people that cause this harm, not knives. That is where the education is needed rather than blanket bans on things. Look how the ban on handguns solved gun crime, Not!


I agree, but how do we solve this? A knife license :nenau

[solarman216]

OK here goes, I always carry a fold up utility knife in my pocket, together with a small screwdriver, in my car I have Hydrochloric Acid, paint thinners, brush cleaner solvent, UPVC cleaning solvent, crow bar large, crow bar smaller, bolt croppers, long knuckle bar, lump hammer, hypodermic syringes, some with needles assorted spanners and a whole host of other general tools, and officially I am retired, do you think they will throw the book at me? Rick

[solarman216]

Peasegood you are correct, we do not need more legislation, just more education, it is written in history that societies that introduce more legislation and rules than can be policed are heading for downfall, Rick

[briggie]

I was taught ...... if you carry a weapon , you must be treated as though you are going to use it

[trophymick]

I was taught ...... if you carry a weapon , you must be treated as though you are going to use it

But a pocket knife is not a weapon it's a tool, I use mine for cutting feed bags open, string etc. :thumb2
A car is a much more dangerous "weapon" than a pocket knife.:nenau

When I was a kid, my first penknife was brilliant. Most other kids had one too.:thumb2

We are all being slowly sterilised and we can't see it.:(

[firebobby]

We are all being slowly sterilised and we can't see it.:(

Very true :(:(

[johnb5177]

By a very nanny state, that provides knee-jerk reactions to isolated incidents, with disproportionate effects on the bulk members of society that do nothing but become increasingly subjugated to the sins and whims of a minority.......sorry rant over:):confused:

[firebobby]

By a very nanny state, that provides knee-jerk reactions to isolated incidents, with disproportionate effects on the bulk members of society that do nothing but become increasingly subjugated to the sins and whims of a minority.......sorry rant over:):confused:

Ahhhhh!!!, very true :banghead :banghead

Many aspects of our lives are governed, be it the Nanny/H+S state or watched in nearly everything we do. We are monitored in our cars, our homes and at work .