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watching "big fat gypsy wedding" on ch4 and was thinking if you had a largish parcel land or hotel, and seing how these families are strugling to get a venue,if you were gypsy freindly venue youd never be short of buisness and doing gypsys a big favour and your guaranteed buisness so profits!
Was thinking the same the other day talking to a mate of ours.;)
(RIP) PLANK
15-02-2011, 23:11
watching "big fat gypsy wedding" on ch4 and was thinking if you had a largish parcel land or hotel, and seing how these families are strugling to get a venue,if you were gypsy freindly venue youd never be short of buisness and doing gypsys a big favour and your guaranteed buisness so profits!
I haven't seen it tonight (yet), but remember the vast majority of people on the show weren't Gypsies - it should have been called 'Big Fat Irish Traveller weddings!'
tonnight was proper romany gypsys,but you could hate gypsys and do it just for dosh,itd help if you got on with them though lol kindve win win situation and im suprised no shrewd dying on its feet venue hasnt grabbed (no pun intended) the idea and made a go of it!
(RIP) PLANK
15-02-2011, 23:31
tonnight was proper romany gypsys,but you could hate gypsys and do it just for dosh,itd help if you got on with them though lol kindve win win situation and im suprised no shrewd dying on its feet venue hasnt grabbed (no pun intended) the idea and made a go of it!
I'll have to have a watch of that tomorrow then and see it it's for real. :thumb2
4+1 its on now,plenty of footage from apleby and the trip down in covered wagon,one drawback i could see for the venue would be the planning protests if it got out it was going to cater for gypsy/traveler,if you had to declare such a thing to planning!
(RIP) PLANK
15-02-2011, 23:59
4+1 its on now,plenty of footage from apleby and the trip down in covered wagon,one drawback i could see for the venue would be the planning protests if it got out it was going to cater for gypsy/traveler,if you had to declare such a thing to planning!
they couldn't ask you to declare he race or ethnicity or your proposed customers, it's just the same as catering for any racial or ethnic group mate :thumb2
I have recorded it I'll watch it tomorrow :thumb2
maybe a nice piece of woodland,being sold off cheap anytime soon lol!
Thomas-the-Terrano2
16-02-2011, 11:39
dont see why would have to state intended customers, just not barr anyone based on
personal biggotory.
cant believe anyone would want their daughter on her biggest day of her life to have
to go thru the shit some of the so called publican and licencees put their customer
base thru, wonder if they find out a family are just house dwelling chavs, and plenty
of those about, if they get barred.
kin hell the place is insured, and its not like the men are tea total is it, put plenty
thru the bar tills.
(RIP) PLANK
16-02-2011, 12:38
dont see why would have to state intended customers, just not barr anyone based on
personal biggotory.
cant believe anyone would want their daughter on her biggest day of her life to have
to go thru the shit some of the so called publican and licencees put their customer
base thru, wonder if they find out a family are just house dwelling chavs, and plenty
of those about, if they get barred.
kin hell the place is insured, and its not like the men are tea total is it, put plenty
thru the bar tills.
and it is breaking the law, at least 3 different laws at that! I haven't watched the show yet but i wonder how many venues have set themselves up for prosecution :augie
exactly if you made it known you were gypsy/traveler freindly,im sure any dammage would be more than covered,i cant see anymore dammage being caused by travelin folk than normal wedding guests.
the mere fact you are gypsy/traveler freindly and wont snatch the big day away from thems gotta make them more apreciative and want to look after place more.
(RIP) PLANK
16-02-2011, 12:43
exactly if you made it known you were gypsy/traveler freindly,im sure any dammage would be more than covered,i cant see anymore dammage being caused by travelin folk than normal wedding guests.
the mere fact you are gypsy/traveler freindly and wont snatch the big day away from thems gotta make them more apreciative and want to look after place more.
if you did go to the lengths of 'making it known' would that be just as bad - i.e. advertising the ethnicity of your preferred customers. It would be like a sign on the door saying, 'we prefer white middle class English customers - but you are all welcome.' There is a danger it would become implied racism, it's a difficult situation, but yo are right if your treat people (any people) with respect your chances of getting the same respect back are much higher than when you start with a bad attitude :thumb2
yes i gues youd have to mke it open to all to keep your venue lisence etc,but advertising ing in traveler press and making it known that being traveler freindly is going to put the venue way up on peoples to moan about list,so even higher behavoiral standards would be apreciated to gain public aproval,maybe little hearts and minds propaganda wouldnt go a miss lol and a sucessfull venue for all concerned.
jobs for local people,extra trade for local buisnesess,bar provided by local publican all very profitable for local area could help change atitudes!
felixthelogchopper
16-02-2011, 21:01
and it is breaking the law, at least 3 different laws at that! I haven't watched the show yet but i wonder how many venues have set themselves up for prosecution :augie
Any licensed premises can refuse entry without reason :augie
i have an atitude of next mans moneys the same, no matter what colour or race he is lol!
(RIP) PLANK
16-02-2011, 21:17
Any licensed premises can refuse entry without reason :augie
If the reason for refusal is implied or direct racism they can't and if someone suspected it was and complained then the venue would have to come up with a reason and it would have to be pretty good - gone are the days when a publican could put a sign on the door saying: "no blacks, no Irish" And I am glad they are gone:thumb2
http://www.crawleyobserver.co.uk/news/audio-and-visual/video-news-reports/pub_probed_over_racism_1_972118
Deleted account DD
16-02-2011, 22:49
The landlord does not have to give a reason for refusing entry/to serve/eject a customer. Comes down to the fact its their licence.
Its also the fact the police are obliged to assist them achieve that unless the request is clearly unlawful for any other reason.
It need never go into the racism scenario either by implication or directly.
There must be more to that story on the link.
That appleby landlord last night was incredibly tactful :clap
Whilst the series was well entertaining i think ultimately it took the piss out of those "travellers" involved. It almost became a parody.
Also quite interesting was the irish traveler vs english romany "debate" on the Jeremy Vine show
(RIP) PLANK
16-02-2011, 23:47
The landlord does not have to give a reason for refusing entry/to serve/eject a customer. Comes down to the fact its their licence.
Its also the fact the police are obliged to assist them achieve that unless the request is clearly unlawful for any other reason.
It need never go into the racism scenario either by implication or directly.
There must be more to that story on the link.
That appleby landlord last night was incredibly tactful :clap
Whilst the series was well entertaining i think ultimately it took the piss out of those "travellers" involved. It almost became a parody.
Also quite interesting was the irish traveler vs english romany "debate" on the Jeremy Vine show
Need not? in many cases it really does need to!
I agree have found the whole series a parody, and yes I witnessed a lot of that heavy handed policing first hand at Appleby last year. Sad but it happens!
But to be honest, I think this thread is in danger of going down the road of so many others - and so soon after the last ones I'm not convinced it is a good idea. What do you think?
didn't hear the Jeremy vine thing, i will look for it on I player :thumb2
extreme-4x4
17-02-2011, 00:11
can someone please explain to me .
what defines a gypsy
what defines a traveller
i read a lot about race on these threads , but are gypsies a different race , religion or colour .
if gypsies are a different race , surely they must have a native land ? if so where and when ?
if they have a different religion . what or who is there god ? .
just interested thats all :)
Thomas-the-Terrano2
17-02-2011, 00:18
can someone please explain to me .
what defines a gypsy
what defines a traveller
i read a lot about race on these threads , but are gypsies a different race , religion or colour .
if gypsies are a different race , surely they must have a native land ? if so where and when ?
if they have a different religion . what or who is there god ? .
just interested thats all :)
well from my teacher ;)
traveller is usually irish traveller, more likely to be caravan based
in family communities, as per most of shown on documentry.
classicly roman catholic, guess from irish roots.
gypsy, or romany, more likely to have a house and caravan,
and integrate in general community.
the romanys came from india,
many do have links with romania.
are going to be more british than average british if can say
that!
Thomas-the-Terrano2
17-02-2011, 00:21
typically grouped together but closer inspection ! reveals chalk and cheese
though caravans and horses and family loyalty are strong characteristics
guess same could be said of many other folks.
(RIP) PLANK
17-02-2011, 13:19
can someone please explain to me .
what defines a gypsy
what defines a traveller
i read a lot about race on these threads , but are gypsies a different race , religion or colour .
if gypsies are a different race , surely they must have a native land ? if so where and when ?
if they have a different religion . what or who is there god ? .
just interested thats all :)
TTT2 is pretty spot on, 'Gypsy' is a pejorative term that has been to a degree reclaimed in the way many politically active black people reclaimed the word that start with 'N' in the 70's. It originally referred to only Romany people and those that arrived here before and during the rain of Henry the eighth. I could explain the origins and meaning of the word, but this isn't a proper history lesson :lol. Therefore, Gypsy (which should always be capitalised like English or Welsh) technically refers to Travelling people of Romany (Indian) origin only and not Irish Travellers. They are two distinct and separate groups with separate languages, customs and traditions. :thumb2
a certain star of the show who praises his way of life and shuns any other,in court giving evidence against his cousin! ha ha wonder if police are taking an interest in his two new cars a yr boast,extravagant life style no real visible means of income (manager of council site!) should have tax man knocking soon!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3416551/TV-gypsy-hardman-tells-court-Me-tough-Thats-all-nonsense.html?CMP=EMCeb12
check out paddys facebook page lol comedian!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paddy-Doherty/193661110661527?sk=wall
(RIP) PLANK
17-02-2011, 20:34
check out paddys facebook page lol comedian!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paddy-Doherty/193661110661527?sk=wall
it's not really his page though, is it?
i doubt it,not in a nasty way but id be unsure he could read and write enough, so someones hi jacked his life, i cant believe after all his swagering hes in court giving evidence against anyone let alone family! (thats acepting the suns version as 90% fiction lol)
whilst not big on education i do believe maths and english are so important everyone should be able to read and write and add up,other things history,goegraphy,re etc less important.
(RIP) PLANK
17-02-2011, 20:42
i doubt it,not in a nasty way but id be unsure he could read and write enough, so someones hi jacked his life, i cant believe after all his swagering hes in court giving evidence against anyone let alone family! (thats acepting the suns version as 90% fiction lol)
it looks hijacked, the photos are all ones that could be got from web sites, and agreed his diction seams better than i would have expected. And as for the sun story - i don't think we ought to get into any more debates based on tabloid fiction :thumb2
he probibly doesent know it there! are you from traveling stock then plank or have you taken the way of life and defended it for another reason? (that sounds weird but i cant think of another way of easily phrasing it so it doesent lol!)
(RIP) PLANK
17-02-2011, 22:59
he probibly doesent know it there! are you from traveling stock then plank or have you taken the way of life and defended it for another reason? (that sounds weird but i cant think of another way of easily phrasing it so it doesent lol!)
i prefer to keep my business off line :augie
extreme-4x4
18-02-2011, 01:23
:jesterbg i prefer to keep my business off line :augie
kindve says either scared to say traveler born and bred and proud or have researched traveler life for a phd or sommat like that,courage of convictions planky,i have no idea of my origns i only found out my nan (dads side) came from a little village called snitterfield at her funeral,my moms side grandad was welsh nan was scotish whos family came across from ireland so im a proper mongrel lol
lacroupade
18-02-2011, 10:57
kindve says either scared to say traveler born and bred and proud or have researched traveler life for a phd or sommat like that,courage of convictions planky,i have no idea of my origns i only found out my nan (dads side) came from a little village called snitterfield at her funeral,my moms side grandad was welsh nan was scotish whos family came across from ireland so im a proper mongrel lol
Planky is the real deal Jace.:thumb2
im still a mongrel though lol!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3423011/Riot-at-Big-Fat-Gypsy-Wedding.html?CMP=EMCeb12
the most telling comments are from ch4 and the venue leics racecourse both reporting no problems!
Just a brief one on the venues refusing certain groups,am I right in saying the Police can look to have the premises refused a licence if there is a lot of anti social behaviour or trouble from said venue? Not just talking about any specific grouping, I know some pubs/hotels here had Gardai trying to prevent licence renewal because of trouble from said premises. It would make me a little cautious who I allowed in if it was my business. One not too far from me was only allowed open until 7.30pm at weekends because of suspected underage drinking and alleged drug dealing going on,Garda Chief Superintendent objected on the grounds that this pub was responsible for most of the anti social behaviour at weekends in the area.
(RIP) PLANK
21-02-2011, 15:55
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3423011/Riot-at-Big-Fat-Gypsy-Wedding.html?CMP=EMCeb12
the most telling comments are from ch4 and the venue leics racecourse both reporting no problems!
he can stuff his miserable dried up ham sarnies :augie :lol
the story rubbishes itself,starts of to grab your atention and when read ,the people who own venue or were filming rubbish it lol!
feel sory for young girl concerned,hope she sues them for slander!
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