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Need some advice. Have a T2 LWB seven seater. Am happy with the T2 and don't really want to change it. Can't really afford to be going changing it either. But am expecting a new addition to the family in next few months. That will be child number 6. So when we will all be in the T2, two adults and six children, there will be eight. Problem is insurance company tells me I won't be insured to carry eight in a seven seater. I could add a lap belt to the rearmost seat easy enough and that would give me the extra seat with a restraint. But insurance company says I can't just add a seat belt myself. They can't tell me what I could do and all they can suggest is to change the car and get an 8 seater. So for the sake of an additional lap belt I have to get a new car???? Surely there is some way to avoid having to get rid of the T2 and get an 8 seater? Any advice or suggestions??? (By the way, before someone suggests it, getting rid of one or more of the kids or the wife is not an option.)
interesting, i was wondering this myself the other day, what concerned me the most was, would the 3rd row of seats, that are removable, be able to take 3 passengers?, not just because they are smaller but also the extra load after all they are not the strongest seats in the world
interesting, i was wondering this myself the other day, what concerned me the most was, would the 3rd row of seats, that are removable, be able to take 3 passengers?, not just because they are smaller but also the extra load after all they are not the strongest seats in the world
They would take three of my gang for another year or two easy enough as they are all still under 7.
lacroupade
09-02-2011, 17:31
Need some advice. Have a T2 LWB seven seater. Am happy with the T2 and don't really want to change it. Can't really afford to be going changing it either. But am expecting a new addition to the family in next few months. That will be child number 6. So when we will all be in the T2, two adults and six children, there will be eight. Problem is insurance company tells me I won't be insured to carry eight in a seven seater. I could add a lap belt to the rearmost seat easy enough and that would give me the extra seat with a restraint. But insurance company says I can't just add a seat belt myself. They can't tell me what I could do and all they can suggest is to change the car and get an 8 seater. So for the sake of an additional lap belt I have to get a new car???? Surely there is some way to avoid having to get rid of the T2 and get an 8 seater? Any advice or suggestions??? (By the way, before someone suggests it, getting rid of one or more of the kids or the wife is not an option.)
I suspect its a bit of a no-can-do Dan (blimey is that a poem?) but how many kiddie seats and boosters are we talking about? I mean theres NOTHING you can do with the middle row but if you could somehow squeeze a baby seat in the centre of the third row...and still maintain the seatbelts for the outer ends? But as you know, these are titchy seats.
And at the end of the day, if the manufacturer says its only a 7-seater it might well be thats all the insurer cares about - all the mods in the world won't change it.
Teach you to keep it in your pants LOL but congrats, whens it due?:thumb2
roof rack ? :augie:lol
Should have asked the insurance company about that just to see what they would say :lol
lacroupade
09-02-2011, 17:35
Should have asked the insurance company about that just to see what they would say :lol
at least put the little bugger in a roof box LOL
Thomas-the-Terrano2
09-02-2011, 17:37
roof rack ? :augie:lol
yeah double decker, limo stretch.
seriously i fear you're knackered there.
can i suggest the mitsibishi delica, there are 8 seat versions
4x4 people carrier on a shogun/pajero chassis.
think some toyota land cruiser amazon styles are 8s dont think
heard of a troll with 8 but then if my 6 and 7 seats were side
ways could be 6 - 9 seats in all. thinking those UN versions
come troop?carriers.
really most room in terrano is in front, seen rangeys with a baby
seat in lieu of cubby box, back to insurance and modifications.
check out ebay, dunno there might be a nissan version of delica
at least put the little bugger in a roof box LOL
arent you selling one too by pure co incidence ? :augie:lol
I suspect its a bit of a no-can-do Dan (blimey is that a poem?) but how many kiddie seats and boosters are we talking about? I mean theres NOTHING you can do with the middle row but if you could somehow squeeze a baby seat in the centre of the third row...and still maintain the seatbelts for the outer ends? But as you know, these are titchy seats.
And at the end of the day, if the manufacturer says its only a 7-seater it might well be thats all the insurer cares about - all the mods in the world won't change it.
Teach you to keep it in your pants LOL but congrats, whens it due?:thumb2
One to three can do with boosters. Two would need kiddie seats for another year or two and new baby will need baby's seat. I usually have two kiddie seats with booster seat in middle of middle row of seats. One kiddie seat and two boosters would fit in back row of seats if had lap belt for middle. Think you are right because all they kep saying was that if the manufacturer said its a seven seater they must have said that for a reason and maybe I should talk to Nissan :nenau:nenau
As for keeping other things in check--the more the merrier, or the more the madder, is my usual way of thinking about it. Besides there may just be an excuse here for looking at a Nissan Patrol although I don't want to go down that route as it would be costly.
Due second week of april.
yeah double decker, limo stretch.
seriously i fear you're knackered there.
can i suggest the mitsibishi delica, there are 8 seat versions
4x4 people carrier on a shogun/pajero chassis.
think some toyota land cruiser amazon styles are 8s dont think
heard of a troll with 8 but then if my 6 and 7 seats were side
ways could be 6 - 9 seats in all. thinking those UN versions
come troop?carriers.
really most room in terrano is in front, seen rangeys with a baby
seat in lieu of cubby box, back to insurance and modifications.
check out ebay, dunno there might be a nissan version of delica
Was sure some of the Trolls were 8 seaters:nenau
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-RENAULT-VERSA-TRAFFIC-8-SEATER-MINIBUS-T-T-VGC-/130484405181?pt=UK_Minibuses_Buses_Coaches&hash=item1e617a03bd
Thomas-the-Terrano2
09-02-2011, 17:45
hey thinking outside box, maybe, another t2.
might be cheaper again providing you both
drive, then keeps everything terrano2 and
got yer selves a convoy, some cb or pmt
radios more room for luggage, back up
vehicle for when its not 8up.
would mean all 8 could use a proper seat
each, so no arguments over lap belt!
and lets face it 6 +7 seats arent brilliant
and then only for pre teen kids.
got friends with 6 kids, i said oh need a minibus
now but they said will take the corsa and zafira
as have them any way.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-RENAULT-VERSA-TRAFFIC-8-SEATER-MINIBUS-T-T-VGC-/130484405181?pt=UK_Minibuses_Buses_Coaches&hash=item1e617a03bd
Wouldn't be seen dead in one of them.
17 seater minibus ..... room for expansion ? :naughty
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Here-17-Seater-Minibus-sale-/320651838652?pt=UK_Minibuses_Buses_Coaches&hash=item4aa856c4bc
I know you can add more seats if space permits, i used to have a 7 seat nissan serena that i upgraed to 8 seats by having a lapbelt fitted by a proffessional, then had to send the log book off to make the change to it from saying 7 seats to 8 seats
lacroupade
09-02-2011, 17:51
Toyota Previa, Pug 807, Citroen C8 (I think) then minibus type jobbies like the VW Caravelle...?
hey thinking outside box, maybe, another t2.
might be cheaper again providing you both
drive, then keeps everything terrano2 and
got yer selves a convoy, some cb or pmt
radios more room for luggage, back up
vehicle for when its not 8up.
would mean all 8 could use a proper seat
each, so no arguments over lap belt!
and lets face it 6 +7 seats arent brilliant
and then only for pre teen kids.
got friends with 6 kids, i said oh need a minibus
now but they said will take the corsa and zafira
as have them any way.
Might have to go for something like that initially although herself is still only learning to drive. Have the MazdaB2500 as well so herself can take the kids and I can take all the bags in the tub and I won't need to buy Lacroupades roof box.
How are the passanger seats in the Patrol set-up. Is there not two straight rows?
Toyota Previa, Pug 807, Citroen C8 (I think) then minibus type jobbies like the VW Caravelle...?
They were some of the reasons why I got the T2 in the first place. Couldn't face the thought of having to drive around in one of those mini-bus type jobbies.
I know you can add more seats if space permits, i used to have a 7 seat nissan serena that i upgraed to 8 seats by having a lapbelt fitted by a proffessional, then had to send the log book off to make the change to it from saying 7 seats to 8 seats
Will give the motor vehicle registration office a call and see if they will permit that.
Thomas-the-Terrano2
09-02-2011, 17:58
there was a time when car mags even 4x4 mags had adverts for pro fitted
seats into boot often rear facing. think volvo estates? and certainly a montego
my mum had a factory version fold up out of floor.
not a fan of lap belts, think insurers are much tighter in these risk assessed days.
funny how 7 seats is practical limit for non mini buses or imports, could be that
for every seat theres a liability, like what a life is worth in a claim.
insurers will side with manufacture that ploughs millions into designing the car
versus joe bloggs with how ever much good intent or engineering ability modding
or bodging at worst your motor.
fear you will need another or an extra motor. cos got to put your family first before
price.
http://www.multimac.co.uk/car_seats
Was looking at these. They have one to fit a Terrano. Might be cheaper to change the car though. They're shocking expensive:eek:
(RIP) PLANK
09-02-2011, 18:07
ask your insurance company if they would insure you if the car had been 'professionally adapted' to carry 8. If they say yes with an engineers report (which is usual) go to your local MOT garage and ask them their point of vie, they could do what it takes and provide a report for the insurance company. This is how it works when adding extra seating capacity to vans.
Another alternative, try another insurer with the same questions :thumb2
zippy656
09-02-2011, 18:10
some 806's have 8 seats..
lacroupade
09-02-2011, 18:21
http://www.multimac.co.uk/car_seats
Was looking at these. They have one to fit a Terrano. Might be cheaper to change the car though. They're shocking expensive:eek:
Blimey cheaper to buy a Nissan Micra and follow along behind :lol
Thomas-the-Terrano2
09-02-2011, 18:22
the troll has 2/3/2 layout all forward facing, all 3 points except middle middle.
just thinking 'boot' could probably cope with a 2 double side ways but i'm
fussy dont like side wards either, ever travelled in back of a landie fun soon
wears off. likely would be lap belts again.
no it was just train of thought i had, quickly dispelled!
Deleted account DD
09-02-2011, 18:26
Do you really want 8 squeezed into a T2 anyway :eek:
As they get bigger which in our experience with 4 is a daily occurrence you will live to regret making do, spending dosh and time but not going large in the first place :thumb2
Additional move also includes
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRci32u6mkBOfbDgUwX4w-P0JcUgU6OjmD1M08B3YGROKzgBH_SzQ
there was a time when car mags even 4x4 mags had adverts for pro fitted
seats into boot often rear facing. think volvo estates? and certainly a montego
my mum had a factory version fold up out of floor.
not a fan of lap belts, think insurers are much tighter in these risk assessed days.
funny how 7 seats is practical limit for non mini buses or imports, could be that
for every seat theres a liability, like what a life is worth in a claim.
insurers will side with manufacture that ploughs millions into designing the car
versus joe bloggs with how ever much good intent or engineering ability modding
or bodging at worst your motor.
fear you will need another or an extra motor. cos got to put your family first before
price.
Take your point but would have thought it must be possible to get a sound and safe additional belt or restraint fitted that wouldn't cost the earth but was entirely safe.
Do you really want 8 squeezed into a T2 anyway :eek:
As they get bigger which in our experience with 4 is a daily occurrence you will live to regret making do, spending dosh and time but not going large in the first place :thumb2
Additional move also includes
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRci32u6mkBOfbDgUwX4w-P0JcUgU6OjmD1M08B3YGROKzgBH_SzQ
True enough. But I had hoped to get another year or two out of the T2. Do I really have to buy a mini-bus jobby :eek: :eek: :eek:
(RIP) PLANK
09-02-2011, 18:31
True enough. But I had hoped to get another year or two out of the T2. Do I really have to buy a mini-bus jobby :eek: :eek: :eek:
try my suggestion first :thumbs
try my suggestion first :thumbs
I be trying that long before I'll be considering the second part of Daved's suggestion anyway.
(RIP) PLANK
09-02-2011, 19:17
I be trying that long before I'll be considering the second part of Daved's suggestion anyway.
I agree, i'm too cowardly for that myself :thumbs
ask your insurance company if they would insure you if the car had been 'professionally adapted' to carry 8. If they say yes with an engineers report (which is usual) go to your local MOT garage and ask them their point of vie, they could do what it takes and provide a report for the insurance company. This is how it works when adding extra seating capacity to vans.
Another alternative, try another insurer with the same questions :thumb2
Got fed up talking to the broker so called up the insurance company themselves. Plank, seems you're spot on so far. If I send the insurance company an engineer's report the insurance company will accept that. And they don't expect there should be any increase in the insurance premium. I did a check about change of vehicle registration details and it looks like its only possible to register an change in seating capacity for mini-buses or coaches with more than 8 seats. Hopefully will get another year or two out of the T2 before the kids get too big for all of us to fit in. Only downside is I'll probably have to go to the Nissan dealership to get the work done as there is not any MOT garages over here as the system is different.
(RIP) PLANK
12-02-2011, 23:52
Got fed up talking to the broker so called up the insurance company themselves. Plank, seems you're spot on so far. If I send the insurance company an engineer's report the insurance company will accept that. And they don't expect there should be any increase in the insurance premium. I did a check about change of vehicle registration details and it looks like its only possible to register an change in seating capacity for mini-buses or coaches with more than 8 seats. Hopefully will get another year or two out of the T2 before the kids get too big for all of us to fit in. Only downside is I'll probably have to go to the Nissan dealership to get the work done as there is not any MOT garages over here as the system is different.
a VAT registered garage should do the job, all you need is someone suitably qualified willing to put their name to the job :thumb2 Could you ask the insurance company who would qualify?
a VAT registered garage should do the job, all you need is someone suitably qualified willing to put their name to the job :thumb2 Could you ask the insurance company who would qualify?
Last time they told me the underwriters just said an engineer but they couldn't tell me who qualified as an engineer other than the Nissan dealer. :nenau :nenau I'll get on to them again on Monday.
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