Spill Pipes

[Chaz]

I needed some new glow plugs fitted so I took it to ATS near my work as I go out when dark come back when dark. Picked it up after work and when I got home strong smell of deisel when I got out looked underneath the front fuel pouring from back of engine.
Phoned ATS told them and they said bring it back down right away. On taking the intercooler off they found a split spill pipe, they damaged it on replacing the glow plugs.
They got some new pipe saying they had to push the one that was leaking out the way to change the glow plugs and that they would change all of them as the one they took off was perished and thats why it split. So 2 hours later job done so I thought. Got home all seemed alright, got up this morning to go to work started the truck left it ticking over went back out smelt deisel again looked under the front pouring out again but this time even worse it was gushing out. I couldent get to work as couldent drive it with the amount of fuel I was losing. At 8:30 I phoned ATS they told me to bring it in again I said I couldent with the amount of fuel It was spurting out. The Boss there said he would come out to me I couldent belive such a simple job had turned into a nightmare.

Anyway he came out and they hadent fitted the pipe on rear injector correctly wasent fully on he was struggling to get it on the injector another hour job done I think, been down garage to fill up all seems ok will have to see what tomorow brings. Putting a claim in for lost time at work

Surely its not that difficult to replace these pipes is it ?

Wish I had left it now and done the job myself only myself to blame then if anything goes wrong. Another lesson learned

Chaz

 

[Deleted account DD]

I found the clips were a bugger when I did mine but having said that I did them all without any leaks in about an hour when I was on holiday. Quick trip to the local motor factors in weston super mare

Only realised one had gone when I drove onto a lovely campsite dripping diesel :augie

 

[tezzer]

as daved said the clips are a pain, but make sure they changed the rear rubber bung, changing the pipes is ok but the back injector has a rubber bung and they perish, but you can get to it without removing any parts, and it's a good idea to keep a set in the motor. :thumb2

 

[lacroupade]

I found the clips were a bugger when I did mine but having said that I did them all without any leaks in about an hour when I was on holiday. Quick trip to the local motor factors in weston super mare

Only realised one had gone when I drove onto a lovely campsite dripping diesel :augie

but theres a world of difference between bendy rubber pipes on summer hols in WsM and -10C.....:thumbs

But Chaz, I'm sat here wondering "why ATS for glow plug replacement?" :nenau

 

[Chaz]

I used ATS because it was close to work just round the corner 5 min walk so they had all day to do it while I was working. After this though will not be using them again not enough care and attention

I do want to try and do some of the work and servicing on my truck myself. I am not to up on diesel engines this is my first Terrano and first diesel got it to tow caravan and am very pleased with it.

I was going to do the glow plugs myself but with work and it being dark when I get home I needed them replacing asap as it was getting a right pain to start these cold mornings I thought at one time I was going to flat the battery before it started

I must say starts like a dream now sounds like a new motor on start up. The spill pipes seem OK now no fuel leaking, but it took them two goes and a total of three hours

Chaz

 

[solarman216]

Just my little bit as an ex diesel engineer, these pipes are not nor ever have been spill pipes, they are leak off pipes, there is no such thing as a "spill pipe" (other than in spill re timing) this is a concoction of diesel terms that are not related, put together by someone with only a little knowledge of diesel engines, "spill" is only used in reference to the "spill point" and this is the point at which the fuel "spills over" on a pump indicating the actual point of injection, a spill pipe would be used if the injector pump was in a hard to see place, then you would use an old injector pipe but bent so the outlet faced up so you could see the exact point at which fuel spillt over the top, it is a purely timing related term, Rick

 

[mowerman]

Hi...my T2 also has these little rubber pipes coming off the top of the injectors and following a whiff of diesel when I turned it off last night I had a look (with a torch) and the rear injector looks wet on top??? It is under the intercooler so not easy to get at..... what do these pipes do and are they easy to get hold of and change ????? :nenau:nenau:nenau

 

[solarman216]

The diesel that "leaks" past the injector needle is fed to the top of the injector and collected in the "leak off pipes" that run along the top, this fuel will likely have air in it as well and it is directed into the return line to the tank, they need to be rubber as injectors move a little on each injection and metal versions fracture, unless they have a movement absorbing bend in the pipe but then they take up more room, Rick

 

[Deleted account DD]

Couldnt give a toss what theyre called. They perish , the leaks are a mess and the clips are a twat to sort

 

[Deleted account DD]

but theres a world of difference between bendy rubber pipes on summer hols in WsM and -10C.....:thumbs

who said I did it in the summer :augie

 

[solarman216]

I have a petrol, so don't have the horrible little things, Rick

 

[Bat21]

.... injectors move a little on each injection and metal versions fracture, unless they have a movement absorbing bend in the pipe but then they take up more room, Rick

I never knew that... who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Thanks Rick:thumb2

 

[solarman216]

Boat safety regulations demand metal leak off pipes because of the fire risk, so all the BMC 4 cyl engines that had never given any bother at all with rubber or plastic pipes were forced to retrofit all metal pipes then every one was suffering fuel leaks, that they had never had before, gradually they modified the pipes with an S bend in them and the fractures died away, and this problem was documented by Perkins in the 70s, Rick

 

[mowerman]

Thanks people.... looks like another weekend job in the cold ..should have bought the truck in the summer me thinks:lol:lol:lol