mid wales

[kbekl]

starts foel
finishes pentre

 

[kbekl]

starts church stretton
ends bryn y maen

 

[Bat21]

starts Church Stretton
ends Bryn Y Maen

Are these legal lanes Karl?

These are just on my door step so I might just try this one out the weekend :thumb2

 

[zippy656]

Are these legal lanes Karl?

These are just on my door step so I might just try this one out the weekend :thumb2

do we need a disclamer... us at your own risk... just in case some lanes are closed ect..

 

[Adz]

All you can do to be 110% sure is goto the local council

Or

Go to the lane (which is what i do) & if theres no closer or anything then take it as open :thumbs

I'm sure some will disagree with my way of laning but if a lane is closed it should state it both ends :thumbs

 

[lacroupade]

All you can do to be 110% sure is goto the local council

Or

Go to the lane (which is what i do) & if theres no closer or anything then take it as open :thumbs

I'm sure some will disagree with my way of laning but if a lane is closed it should state it both ends :thumbs

Quite correct....but if in doubt, just flash your headlights :lol:lol:lol

 

[kbekl]

Are these legal lanes Karl?

These are just on my door step so I might just try this one out the weekend :thumb2

as far as i know all the lanes listed at the time are legal but thier is the odd tro that can come about so is always best to check them out before you go any that i know about have been noted

the problem with adz's way is if you do go on a closed lane then you run the risk of having the motor impounded and points depending on the attitude you and the police office take :thumb2

 

[lacroupade]

as far as i know all the lanes listed at the time are legal but thier is the odd tro that can come about so is always best to check them out before you go any that i know about have been noted

the problem with adz's way is if you do go on a closed lane then you run the risk of having the motor impounded and points depending on the attitude you and the police office take :thumb2

but Adz is right, regardless of TROs or anything else, if it isn't signed as being closed then its impossible to prosecute.

 

[kbekl]

do we need a disclamer... us at your own risk... just in case some lanes are closed ect..

its not an event so pointless having a disclaimer

now you understand why i said restricted access :thumbs

 

[kbekl]

but Adz is right, regardless of TROs or anything else, if it isn't signed as being closed then its impossible to prosecute.

not strictly true as you are breaking the law driving down it

as this is a recreational hobby you should have done the checks before venturing out

although as a general rule you will be given the benefit of the doubt and just asked to leave but your details will be logged and the next time you will not be given that benefit

some lanes in the peaks are close to vehicular access but not all are marked up as such on the lane thats why on the peak district website you have sections for this you tend to find then on most councils or park authorities :thumb2

 

[lacroupade]

not strictly true as you are breaking the law driving down it

as this is a recreational hobby you should have done the checks before venturing out

although as a general rule you will be given the benefit of the doubt and just asked to leave but your details will be logged and the next time you will not be given that benefit

some lanes in the peaks are close to vehicular access but not all are marked up as such on the lane thats why on the peak district website you have sections for this you tend to find then on most councils or park authorities :thumb2

what else can anyone do but give you benefit of the doubt? councils are responsible for signing ALL ROWs and if there is no sign what are you going to get nicked for and on what grounds?

 

[kbekl]

what else can anyone do but give you benefit of the doubt? councils are responsible for signing ALL ROWs and if there is no sign what are you going to get nicked for and on what grounds?

Section 59' vehicle seizures

Taken from the GLASS Web Site

An opinion compiled from several sources - thanks all !




The Legislation:

Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -

Where an officer has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the public, Section 59 can be used to:-

initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)
(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)

and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.
(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner)

A constable in uniform has the power to order the person driving to stop the vehicle, to seize and remove the vehicle, to enter any premises on which the officer has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be and to use reasonable force. Seizure can made only if a warning has been given, or believed to have been given, or if a warning is clearly being ignored.

So, usually it's a two-stage process - a warning or notice first, seizure if you persist or repeat.

Full text of Police Reform Act section 59 here.

Police Reform Act 2002

2002 c.30

 

[lacroupade]

Section 59' vehicle seizures

Taken from the GLASS Web Site

An opinion compiled from several sources - thanks all !




The Legislation:

Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -

Where an officer has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the public, Section 59 can be used to:-

initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)
(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)

and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.
(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner)

A constable in uniform has the power to order the person driving to stop the vehicle, to seize and remove the vehicle, to enter any premises on which the officer has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be and to use reasonable force. Seizure can made only if a warning has been given, or believed to have been given, or if a warning is clearly being ignored.

So, usually it's a two-stage process - a warning or notice first, seizure if you persist or repeat.

Full text of Police Reform Act section 59 here.

Police Reform Act 2002

2002 c.30

sect 59 is well known, but if you are driving on a ROW thats shown as such on an OS map and not signed as being closed or restricted (as it should be) then what are they nicking you for exactly?

 

[kbekl]

i am not sure but the police are not the ones to worry about it the bobble hatters all they have to do it take a pic of you up a lane with the reg showing that you should not be up and things can progress from their

tbh it isnt worth the risk to drive a lane you are not sure about without checking it out first as it can cause problems with the lanes in the area due to them bloody bobble hatters

 

[lacroupade]

i am not sure but the police are not the ones to worry about it the bobble hatters all they have to do it take a pic of you up a lane with the reg showing that you should not be up and things can progress from their

tbh it isnt worth the risk to drive a lane you are not sure about without checking it out first as it can cause problems with the lanes in the area due to them bloody bobble hatters

but....no sign = nothing to enforce :thumb2

 

[kbekl]

sect 59 is well known, but if you are driving on a ROW thats shown as such on an OS map and not signed as being closed or restricted (as it should be) then what are they nicking you for exactly?

this bit

Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road)

they dont have to prove it just believe you are doing so

 

[kbekl]

also their is no law to say it has to be signed as the tro can be seasonal

 

[lacroupade]

also their is no law to say it has to be signed as the tro can be seasonal

..and just like it is on the Sarn, Ridgeway etc.., the TRO has to be (and is) signed..........

 

[lacroupade]

..and just like it is on the Sarn, Ridgeway etc.., the TRO has to be (and is) signed..........

like this....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2008/10/03/ridgeway_closed_to_vehicles_feature.shtml

 

[lacroupade]

or this

http://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/meet-ups-rideouts/33773-gap-road-sunday-march-15th.html