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What controls the injector c/v timing?
What sort of % figures should I expect as the revs increase?
I seem to have an odd graph here, it starts at 64% at tick over then climbs to 83% at 2000rpm,but then drops again as the revs increase!
Any ideas?
 
cant your mate run his computer thing on your truck and a good one like mine or pauls.... then you can compare settings etc... rather than just guessing , after all it could be a combination of things ???????

just a thought !
 
You're right it would be good to compare. It's just that at £40 to plug him in I was going for max. information. He's not familiar with this nissan and the bible he had didnt give injection timing data.
He gave me a free retest when I put the sensor on because it wasnt that he looked further and noted this wierd c/v figure!
Knowing my luck it will be a combination of stupid little things all of which are cheating the ECU, grrr and so giving duff reports:nenau
 
well ask him if its still 40 .00 if he does yours while he reads the info from a good one. after all he's not fixing the good one he's just getting information from it.... we should be charging him

still recon its injectors though or air leek on fuel
 
Not sure how relevant this is ---- but the injector/engine timing is produced from 2 sensors. Number 1 injector has a sensor built into the body of it and is for tdc timing on no1 piston. The 2nd sensor is on the top of the gearbox housing looking down onto the flywheel. It is down the back of the bulkhead. Sometimes it is slanged the 'knock sensor'
 
Not sure how relevant this is ---- but the injector/engine timing is produced from 2 sensors. Number 1 injector has a sensor built into the body of it and is for tdc timing on no1 piston. The 2nd sensor is on the top of the gearbox housing looking down onto the flywheel. It is down the back of the bulkhead. Sometimes it is slanged the 'knock sensor'

No, this is not a knock sensor. This is the TDC sensor, or Crank Postion Sensor (CPS) On early TDi's it was mounted on the timing gear case, on all later ones, it is on the bell housing. It is inductive and picks up on the teeth machined in the flywheel. There are two teeth missing about 90 deg *before* TDC- so the ECU has time to compute...

The ECU has a set of figures for timing advance stored in its memory, which vary according to revs, throttle position and load. Measuring timing advance off load is only half the story.

The ECU controls the timing via the timing control solonoid on the bottom of the Inj. Pump. The TCS is fed by a pulse width modulated square wave signal. The ECU receives feedback from when no.1 injector actually opens, and compares this with the required value. So it is an active system.

Basically for good running and emisions you want quite retarded timing off load and at low revs. As revs & load increase more advance is needed to allow time for more fuel to be injected. More fuel needs more time to inject, and has a longer burn time.

For cold running you need quite alot of advance since the fuel is slow to begin burning. This is why the TDi's sound very rattley when cold- the ecu is using alot of advance.

At high revs and load the ecu actually retards the timing again, as this keeps EGT's down so you dont melt the turbo & ex valves, and also reduces peak cylinder pressures to protect the HG.

Hope this helps.
 
I have noticed, but only recently, that on light throttle I have a rattle that sounds like "pinking" in a petrol vehicle. On pressing the throttle or on over run it it disappears, could this be caused by the auto timing system you have described? regards bri
 
I have noticed, but only recently, that on light throttle I have a rattle that sounds like "pinking" in a petrol vehicle. On pressing the throttle or on over run it it disappears, could this be caused by the auto timing system you have described? regards bri

if you're anything like me, that'll be your spare teeth rattling in the glovebox :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
 

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