H20 / Methanol Diesel Injection Article

[Darwin]

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/0603dp_diesel_water_methanol_injection/index.html

 

[makeitfit]

Top idea but big price:augie
I reckon I'll get the same sort of gains with my LPG add on:sly and thats dirt cheap:thumbs
Pics next week:naughty

 

[ocelot]

interesting............... and yes, proven via the article, I'm working on an HHO real time generate and use system, works on naturally aspirated diesels less than 2.5l but not my T2, so under development.

 

[lacroupade]

Well how spooky is that? Extreme will confirm that when he passed through on Monday we were talking with my neighbour, a retired petroleum chemist from the Esso Research Centre that used to be near me.

He was explaining how a measure of approx 150-200mm methanol, mixed with 10% water, dobbed in your tank at fillup time would be even better than acetone.:thumbs

Clearly won't provide the returns this kit gives, since it wouldn't have the intercooler cooling effect, but cheap as chips (and cheaper even than acetone), since common-or-garden meths will do the job apparently......:doh

But be aware, try this at home at your own risk - don't blame me if your little puffing billy steam engine on a stand hasn't got fuel any more (yes I'm talking to you Mr Sad!).:doh

 

[ocelot]

I'm still working on the HHO system, just need to get the thing working with a turbo, works on a disco, just don't know why it won't work on my T2

 

[extreme-4x4]

Well how spooky is that? Extreme will confirm that when he passed through on Monday we were talking with my neighbour, a retired petroleum chemist from the Esso Research Centre that used to be near me.

He was explaining how a measure of approx 150-200mm methanol, mixed with 10% water, dobbed in your tank at fillup time would be even better than acetone.:thumbs

Clearly won't provide the returns this kit gives, since it wouldn't have the intercooler cooling effect, but cheap as chips (and cheaper even than acetone), since common-or-garden meths will do the job apparently......:doh

But be aware, try this at home at your own risk - don't blame me if your little puffing billy steam engine on a stand hasn't got fuel any more (yes I'm talking to you Mr Sad!).:doh

confirmed.... i was even giving him my ideas on intercoolers and moisture etc damd clever bloke the chemist..... not paul:augie


been doing more research on my idea

 

[lacroupade]

confirmed.... i was even giving him my ideas on intercoolers and moisture etc damd clever bloke the chemist..... not paul:augie


been doing more research on my idea

yeah but its who you know, not what you know...

 

[ocelot]

I've just re done the math on the T2 intercooler, mass of air movement for 3200 rpm, (estimated), The HHO system cannot produce enough, I'd need around 5 to 7 litres a minute depending on RPM/load.
I'm happy that the general principle works, I can power a 2.8kva generator off HHO, a 12vdc battery and solar panel, or AC powered battery charger... it's not perpetual motion by the way......... The current required to generate 2L/minute is still too high but I can get that down using a different cell construction and plate/cell ratio.
The math and chemistry tells me that it'll power a naturally aspirated engine as well, up to 2.5l, at least my old BMC at any rate, that's only 70hp on a really good day..... doesn't rev much past 2800. So that's my next test...... now, how far do I have to motor to prove the concept works, or not ?
So I'd best fit the thing to the boat properly now........

 

[Deleted account DD]

Had quite a lot to do with methanol producers at one time and another.

I'm sure its great stuff in the engine but storage and transportation hazards of the stronger brew in usable quantities for private individuals..................no ta ............I'll stick to hi clones and k&n

 

[ssteve]

hi clones, whatever happend to them??

ssteve

 

[Deleted account DD]

hi clones, whatever happend to them??

ssteve

theyre working away in my pipes :lol

 

[lacroupade]

theyre working away in my pipes :lol

Nooooo! How could you! :augie

Re methanol Dave, how much more volatile is it than Acetone then? My chemist neighbour is saying that common meths is perfectly acceptable and thats hardly explosive is it? But didn't ask him how much different to pure Methanol it is....

 

[Deleted account DD]

Nooooo! How could you! :augie

Re methanol Dave, how much more volatile is it than Acetone then? My chemist neighbour is saying that common meths is perfectly acceptable and thats hardly explosive is it? But didn't ask him how much different to pure Methanol it is....

The honest answer is i dont know. Physics was my science I bombed big time with chemistry :lol

Meths and acetone do have their hazards but we only have them at home in small quantities. In laymans terms methanol is more dangerous and for use in a car I presume held at home in larger quantities.

Believe it or not I was actually at a methanol seminar/training day a year or so ago and it was very very interesting.

One thing I took away as well as pens and a dvd was a memory of how volatile it can be.

Methanex are a big producer of the stuff and their safety data sheet is here

http://www.methanex.com/products/documents/MSDS_EUenglish.pdf


If you search for "methanol msds" or "methanol hazards" , without being scaremongering its quirky stuff to have at home

 

[zippy656]

I'll stick to hi clones and k&n

ok, ive got the K&N so whats with the hiclones..

do tell more

 

[Deleted account DD]

ok, ive got the K&N so whats with the hiclones..

do tell more

http://www.hiclone.co.uk/ :thumb2

I believe they do work and work well. Jocky will tell you his account of using them. I can tell you that emmisons dropped on mine when I put them in (better burn) and I can genuinely put myself in the 30mpg for day to day driving club.

Somethings working properly