Engine jurking when cold 2.7td (maverick)

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JimmyJaffa

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Hi everyone I'm new to this site and I'm new to my for 1997 maverick 2.7 td so please be gentle. Now to my problem. When cold in the morning she starts up no problem but when you try and give her some revs say in 3rd gear she starts to jerk to the point that other drivers think I'm head banging to some heavy metal :lol. When she warms up the problem is way less so not to bad to drive when warm. When i bought it on Friday the bloke said he had it read at garage and they said it was air flow meter. He had bought one (Hatatchi) and made no difference. I cleared down the codes last night and gave it a bit of a run this morning. re read the codes and it came back with 2. 1) code 18 (Fuel quantity adjuster/position sensor). 2) code 47 (crankshaft position sensor). I think that the second code my be a different problem as it has cut out a couple of times at lights etc . Where might i find these two sensors :nenau as i want to test and replace. Many thanks for any advice given, Jim.:bow
 
um, welcome

fuel fillters BOTH if youve got the little one, maybe leaking fuel lines as well, my just be damp
 
you ve had the same issues as me mate, exactly the same, heres is what I did to fix them:

code 47 - you cant fix it, so dont try, you need a new CKP sensor direct from Nissan, and I'm afraid its going to cost a FORTUNE, sorry mate. You have the same setup as me, and mine cost me £190. When your car cut out, its the sensor mate, sorry. The CKP sensor sends signals that control idle, fuel injection and timing, so if the signal is poor, it can and will cut out. You can fit a new CKP sensor yourself easily, dont pay nissan to do it it will cost a fortune.

code 18 - well, mine cleared up after fixing above faults plus some others. So i'd be inclined to say there isnt actually a fault here. Leave this one untill you have done the ckp sensor

I also replaced my No1 injector (HUGE difference), MAF (which you have done, so good start), main earth cable to engine bay (cheap so worth checking), air filter, fuel filter (change of fuel filter makes a massive difference). main start cable (you dont need to do this) and various other bits, now running very well indeed. start with CKP sensor first, and consider No1 injector after that.

good luck!
 
I'd be interested to hear Solarmans take on things....what a joy to have a proper expert on the site in this area....:thumb2
 
I'd be interested to hear Solarmans take on things....what a joy to have a proper expert on the site in this area....:thumb2

Sorry to say my experience is prior to all this electronic wizardry that goes with modern motors, when I am no longer able to test an item without £££££ worth of computer stuff time for me to leave it alone, Rick
 
I've been looking for this crank sensor and cannot seem to find it on the bell housing at the top. I have found a sensor about half way up the font of the engine next to the water pump and to me seems more like a cam sensor as it does not cut the engine when disconnected. So anyone got any ideas :nenau.

many thanks, Jaffa :bow.
 
the CKP sensor (which will cut out the engine WHEN HOT) is located front of engine, as you face it on the right, between the belts. Little black sensors, wire trails up over water pipes to sensors at the top.

Myself and Jim had this issue, which slowly got worse, and only occured when the engien was warm, and even then was random (but guarenteed to cut out, if that makes sense?)

so we both went to Nissan, and bought a new one. That fixed it!!:clap
 
Looks like I'm going to be out of pocket by quite a bit then, but i did buy with a problem so here goes and cheers for the info:thumbs
 
Jimmy, hard to say mate, what else other than those two codes (which combined will almost certainly cause jerking) do you think is wrong? Do what I did, and do some checks. first, start at the battery. Check the clamps-shouldnt be any cracks. The the main positive wire that goes to the starter-if its crusty on the end and brittle, change it-expensive im afraid, cost me over £30, check the charge wire also. Now check the negative, and ground cables-mine LOOKED ok, untill i turned it over to find it had rubbed against the chassis, worn through and was corroded, so that caused issues-very cheap though for a new cable.

Now check down by the starter, get a bright torch, check that starter, how does it look? look for leaks around that area. now check your injectors, again, shine that torch in there, especially the back one, look for bad leaks. check those sensors by the intercooler, give them a clean-i found mine needed a clean.

Personally, i'd remove the intercooler if you are confident, clean it, clean the pipes and replace/re tighten. Check that air filter and filter box-look for missing clips that hold it in place-this lets water in. Check the fuel filter, release the drain tap, see if it gurgles or lets diesel out....

after that its the usual check of belts etc.

You can search the threads for my string of issues mate, i had major problems after about a month or two of owners ship, then it was off the road for a VERY long time whilst I fixed it. I only got it fixed this year and very recently, my problems were:

bad starting
non starting
uneven running/idle
engine check light on
4 major codes-CKP, Fuel Quantity (went away), MAF and No1 injector-so fitted new CKP fixed the majority of running issues I had, bought second hand MAF and soaked it in cleaner over night, bought new No1 injector (huge difference that made so well worth it) and the fuel quantity code went away after i fitted the new injector-hence my worry that yours may be on its way so you may as well prepare for it.
rusty outer sills
hole inside engine bay-didnt need welding, but needed fixing for MOT
squeeky spare wheel
needed new fuel filter (badly)
needed new air filter (huge difference with a K&N fitted)
new positive cable, new clamps, new earth-had to sort new holes for earth as existing screws had rusted.
and that my friend, was it. These problems were spread out over about 8 or 9 months, if not longer, simply becasue I couldnt afford to paya garage to fix it. I had extra time off the road due to a garage seriously trying to rip me off over the MOT, again theres a thread on this.

The car really felt fixed after I fitted the new CKP, everything ran much smoother. after that I did the intercooler and fuel filter and i think the injector, or maybe that was before. Now, I have NO codes showing, and its running almost like new, ceertainly compared to how it was when I bought it, which i thought was good at the time. I didnt have any other issues, breaks all good, hand break needs adjustment, generally they seem very solid underneath so my thoughts for you are get the CKP, I know its expensive, but unless youve got some spare cash, going to be cheap er to fix the truck that buy, say, a Landy or other alternative. I just done think you can buy better, for the money.

When I first read your post, I could see you were having the very same problems I started with, and at the time didnt think much of it, trust me, they get worse at leats it did for me, my lesson was simply buy the CKP, I wish I had done it sooner.
 
Looks like I'm going to be out of pocket by quite a bit then, but i did buy with a problem so here goes and cheers for the info:thumbs

sorry, and yes, you did buy with a problem, the CKP doesnt just go because its a magnet, and over time, the heat from the engine affects it more, hence the engine cutting out or jerking. Its just one of those things I think.
 
sorry, and yes, you did buy with a problem, the CKP doesnt just go because its a magnet, and over time, the heat from the engine affects it more, hence the engine cutting out or jerking. Its just one of those things I think.
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Couple this effect with a magnet with a lower than original flux density we now have a recipe for a marginal output from the sensor resulting in near failure or at best intermittent operation. <o></o>
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yes, thats exactly what i wanted to say! read something similar on the net after speaking to jim, who suggested the ckp fails, when the engine is at operating temprerature, which of course takes a while, hence why it makes people and even mechanics think its not teh fault, when in fact, it is! I figured this issue out, and im no mechanic, with the help of everyone here. I soon realised the importance of the sensor, and what it effects (timing, fuel injection, crank shaft positon etc) and how that tied in with the issues I was having. its just s shame that the ckp for our particular models are so expensive, as the newer ones are much chepaer i believe...

and yes, DONT drop it!
 
yes, thats exactly what i wanted to say! read something similar on the net after speaking to jim, who suggested the ckp fails, when the engine is at operating temprerature, which of course takes a while, hence why it makes people and even mechanics think its not teh fault, when in fact, it is! I figured this issue out, and im no mechanic, with the help of everyone here. I soon realised the importance of the sensor, and what it effects (timing, fuel injection, crank shaft positon etc) and how that tied in with the issues I was having. its just s shame that the ckp for our particular models are so expensive, as the newer ones are much chepaer i believe...

and yes, DONT drop it!
It does underline the principle that getting a part from what would likely be a high mileage vehicle at a breakers would be something of a lottery.

I am inclined to think with a bit of research a cheaper replacement from another manufacturer/model etc. would work ok. A question of finding the correct size/shape first and then similar electrical specs.
 
Agreed, although I tried three used ones, all failed, then couldn't find other vehicle with the same ckp so I just gave in, and ordered from Nissan in Halifax.
 
I have found a couple at a local breakers and he wants £30 so might just take the gamble as skint at the mo after buying the thing. Thanks to all who gave advice, much appreciated:thumbs. This site was the best £10 I've spent in a while. So :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap to the owners club.


P.S will post when i have changed the sensor.
 
I have found a couple at a local breakers and he wants £30 so might just take the gamble as skint at the mo after buying the thing. Thanks to all who gave advice, much appreciated:thumbs. This site was the best £10 I've spent in a while. So :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap to the owners club.


P.S will post when i have changed the sensor.

Be sure when you fit the sensor it is fully home, the distance between the tip and the crank lobes that pass by it is critical, especially with a used sensor. The gap should be around 1mm, not that you can see it!
Good luck.
 
I think when fitting, it goes naturally flush due to a ridge around the magnet, so should be ok.

I'd be surprised if the breakers CKP works, I tried three, and non worked in terms of clearning the fault (they worked of course, but car still cut out and engine check remained)

good luck though!
 
Hi. Have you found the solution for the problem?
Have just bought me a 97 Terrano that has some of the same problems.
It's jerking on cold engine when cruising, not when accelerating.

Going to try and clean the mini filter and connect the computer and see if there are any fault codes.
 
Oh the joys of owning a pre-intercooler T2 - no CKP, no MAF, agricultural electronics which seldom go wrong, I have however just had to replace my positive battery clamp (steel one this time, €2.30 here in Spain), my clock backlight bulb and my drivers side window regulator a few months ago (that was for a mechanical problem though), that's the limit of my electrical problems in two and a half years of ownership.
Definately a case of older is better!
 
i had code 18 had injectors tested,fine.new ckp no difference. new diesel pump sorted.
 

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