Spend spend spend...

lacroupade · 21-07-2010, 08:28

Ba5tard Terranos.

Recent acquisition of another lowish mileage (60k) '02 plater (No.4 in the series!) just reinforces my view that these trucks thrive on a good thrashing. When they are driven like little old women they just clog up and go wrong.

This one had been in the latter category and while in mint condition underneath, it has the usual catalogue of issues; leaky sunroof, leaky rear door (all easily fixed) plus a host of minor stuff that is starting to go away now its getting soundly thrashed up and down the M4 to The Land of My Fathers.

Auto box has an odd foible in that when overtaking hard, with overdrive off, it sometimes 'hiccups' - its fine with OD on...so I shall be getting the fluid changed and watching it and if it doesn't go away it WILL BE SWAPPED FOR A L*ND R*VER!!

No.3 truck is at the menders....

...France was murder in the heat (or humidity to be more accurate!) and my aircon needed regassing urgently...turns out its because the condensors fecked...thats around £250 to replace then regass.

So I thought I'd get my rattly gearbox looked at - big argument between the guys at the garage over whether its the layshaft or the thrust bearing...most money is on the latter but we'll see when the gearbox gets dropped....if its the box then its off the Swansea to get refurbed (and I nick the wifes truck to go back to France next week, she'll be chuffed!!)..

Buts its £220 for the clutch kit and £300 for the labour (I tried not to smile when he apologetically told me - labour rates in Wales are wonderful!).

So just waiting to see if I get the old girl back in time and without having to fork out for a g/box refurb....still, its only once eh...?

spiderpig37 · 21-07-2010, 17:30

will be interested in what you find with the gearbox as i also have a rattly gearbox when the truck is stood and ticking over it goes away when you press the clutch or raise the revs to around 1000. Just come back from Devon with the caravan and it never missed a beat so might let it develop?
cheers Andy

(RIP) PLANK · 21-07-2010, 20:27

well you can't spend if if you havent got it mate, so enjoy splashing out

it's what T2's were made for

solarman216 · 21-07-2010, 20:37

Buts its £220 for the clutch kit and £300 for the labour (I tried not to smile when he apologetically told me - labour rates in Wales are wonderful!).

You should have got Swifty (my fitter) to price it, it would be a lot less than £520. Rick

lacroupade · 22-07-2010, 00:25

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Buts its £220 for the clutch kit and £300 for the labour (I tried not to smile when he apologetically told me - labour rates in Wales are wonderful!).

You should have got Swifty (my fitter) to price it, it would be a lot less than £520. Rick

Cost me that in diesel to get to Essex Rick LOL, plus I'm trying to get it back before my ferry next Weds

solarman216 · 22-07-2010, 00:31

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Originally Posted by lacroupade

Cost me that in diesel to get to Essex Rick LOL, plus I'm trying to get it back before my ferry next Weds

Sussex, Bexhill is in sunny Sussex near Hastings , but do not forget if it is the layshaft causing your rattle gearbox strip is big job, Rick

lacroupade · 22-07-2010, 09:01

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Sussex, Bexhill is in sunny Sussex near Hastings , but do not forget if it is the layshaft causing your rattle gearbox strip is big job, Rick

I'm expecting that Rick - theres a place in Swansea that would refurb but if the cost is more than the going rate of 500-550 for an exchange recon then thats the route I'd take

lacroupade · 23-07-2010, 13:19

Ok, Spiderpig, the news isn't good but for me it could have been a lot worse.

The rattling I had consisted of a clattering noise emanating from the gearbox/bellhousing end of things. It only happened in neutral on tickover and was intermittent. Sometimes it didn't make a noise, sometimes it clattered but NOT rhythmically (how the feck do you spell that word?), and sometimes, if you let the clutch pedal up really fast it clattered like a bloody machine gun.

Anyway, the garage (which has turned out to be bloody excellent IMHO) has removed the gearbox to fit a new clutch...at this point I was half-expecting to be told the g/box is fecked and I'm another £600 out of pocket and stealing wifeys T2 to take to France.

Instead, the spigot bearing in the flywheel apparently fell out in a pile of shrapnel.

Cheap and cheerful to fix and OK, so I've got a new clutch I probably didn't need yet, but I now know I can rely on the gubbins for a long time to come.

My advice? Don't wait for it to fail completely because it will take all sorts out when it does.

So Weds afternoon its back to the Land of The Rising Croissant until September (-ish!!)...

solarman216 · 23-07-2010, 13:40

Hmmmm I am not convinced, spigot bearing only operates when foot on clutch pedal, other times gear box spigot is held firm by clutch plate, OK it could be a tad out of centre but that wont cause a rattle in the box, Rick

lacroupade · 23-07-2010, 13:44

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Hmmmm I am not convinced, spigot bearing only operates when foot on clutch pedal, other times gear box spigot is held firm by clutch plate, OK it could be a tad out of centre but that wont cause a rattle in the box, Rick

but it was in several pieces Rick?

Soon find out when it goes back together I suppose.....fingers crossed. BTW we aren't talking thrust bearing here...the garage guy only called whatever it is a spigot bearing beause I'm a feckwit...its something else.....

solarman216 · 23-07-2010, 13:53

The spigot bearing is nothing more than a sintered bronze bush, all the while the spigot was in it the bits were trapped in the flywheel so it was doing its job (steady the end of the spigot shaft while clutch depressed), now if you are talking clutch release bearing then that could cause some noise, likewise f the clutch centre plate is well worn with lose springs that also will give you rattles, but spigot bearing, na, Rick

lacroupade · 23-07-2010, 21:54

I'll have to get the man to show me the bits when I collect it...hoping the rattle has gone of course!

(RIP) PLANK · 24-07-2010, 00:13

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Originally Posted by lacroupade

So Weds afternoon its back to the Land of The Rising Croissant until September (-ish!!)...

have a good summer

lacroupade · 24-07-2010, 11:35

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Originally Posted by PLANK

have a good summer

Thanks Plank.....its all graft sadly, plus the weather has been a bit changeable there, but its got to be better than here! Oh and I miss the Welsh Game Show too

ClanWolf · 24-07-2010, 20:34

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Originally Posted by solarman216

...now if you are talking clutch release bearing then that could cause some noise...

Rick, would that noise be an odd grinding 'howl' when the clutch is depressed, sometimes with an added 'vibrating metal plate' resonance? Only seems to happen in low gears (1st & 2nd, occasionally third). Oh, I cannot feel any vibration through the pedal when this happens.

Because my T2 has that and I suspected the clutch release bearing, would be nice to get the (admittedly vague) opinion of someone in the know.

21-07-2010, 08:28	#1
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	Spend spend spend... Ba5tard Terranos. Recent acquisition of another lowish mileage (60k) '02 plater (No.4 in the series!) just reinforces my view that these trucks thrive on a good thrashing. When they are driven like little old women they just clog up and go wrong. This one had been in the latter category and while in mint condition underneath, it has the usual catalogue of issues; leaky sunroof, leaky rear door (all easily fixed) plus a host of minor stuff that is starting to go away now its getting soundly thrashed up and down the M4 to The Land of My Fathers. Auto box has an odd foible in that when overtaking hard, with overdrive off, it sometimes 'hiccups' - its fine with OD on...so I shall be getting the fluid changed and watching it and if it doesn't go away it WILL BE SWAPPED FOR A LND RVER!! No.3 truck is at the menders.......France was murder in the heat (or humidity to be more accurate!) and my aircon needed regassing urgently...turns out its because the condensors fecked...thats around £250 to replace then regass. So I thought I'd get my rattly gearbox looked at - big argument between the guys at the garage over whether its the layshaft or the thrust bearing...most money is on the latter but we'll see when the gearbox gets dropped....if its the box then its off the Swansea to get refurbed (and I nick the wifes truck to go back to France next week, she'll be chuffed!!).. Buts its £220 for the clutch kit and £300 for the labour (I tried not to smile when he apologetically told me - labour rates in Wales are wonderful!). So just waiting to see if I get the old girl back in time and without having to fork out for a g/box refurb....still, its only once eh...?

23-07-2010, 13:19	#8
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	The Verdict... Ok, Spiderpig, the news isn't good but for me it could have been a lot worse. The rattling I had consisted of a clattering noise emanating from the gearbox/bellhousing end of things. It only happened in neutral on tickover and was intermittent. Sometimes it didn't make a noise, sometimes it clattered but NOT rhythmically (how the feck do you spell that word?), and sometimes, if you let the clutch pedal up really fast it clattered like a bloody machine gun. Anyway, the garage (which has turned out to be bloody excellent IMHO) has removed the gearbox to fit a new clutch...at this point I was half-expecting to be told the g/box is fecked and I'm another £600 out of pocket and stealing wifeys T2 to take to France. Instead, the spigot bearing in the flywheel apparently fell out in a pile of shrapnel. Cheap and cheerful to fix and OK, so I've got a new clutch I probably didn't need yet, but I now know I can rely on the gubbins for a long time to come. My advice? Don't wait for it to fail completely because it will take all sorts out when it does. So Weds afternoon its back to the Land of The Rising Croissant until September (-ish!!)...

21-07-2010, 17:30	#2
spiderpig37 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: doncaster south yorkshire Vehicle: nissan terrano t2+ Posts: 729	will be interested in what you find with the gearbox as i also have a rattly gearbox when the truck is stood and ticking over it goes away when you press the clutch or raise the revs to around 1000. Just come back from Devon with the caravan and it never missed a beat so might let it develop? cheers Andy

21-07-2010, 20:27	#3
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	well you can't spend if if you havent got it mate, so enjoy splashing out it's what T2's were made for

21-07-2010, 20:37	#4
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	Buts its £220 for the clutch kit and £300 for the labour (I tried not to smile when he apologetically told me - labour rates in Wales are wonderful!). You should have got Swifty (my fitter) to price it, it would be a lot less than £520. Rick

23-07-2010, 13:40	#9
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	Hmmmm I am not convinced, spigot bearing only operates when foot on clutch pedal, other times gear box spigot is held firm by clutch plate, OK it could be a tad out of centre but that wont cause a rattle in the box, Rick

23-07-2010, 13:53	#11
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	The spigot bearing is nothing more than a sintered bronze bush, all the while the spigot was in it the bits were trapped in the flywheel so it was doing its job (steady the end of the spigot shaft while clutch depressed), now if you are talking clutch release bearing then that could cause some noise, likewise f the clutch centre plate is well worn with lose springs that also will give you rattles, but spigot bearing, na, Rick

23-07-2010, 21:54	#12
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	I'll have to get the man to show me the bits when I collect it...hoping the rattle has gone of course!