Gas Supplier

keefbeef · 15-08-2016, 21:08

Gonna get me either a 10L or 20L gas bottle 95 argon/5 co. One of those rent free boyo's. We have two suppliers here. Hobbyweld or SGS.

Any experience of either? I think the hobbyweld ones come with built in regulator, but have to get a converter.

solarman216 · 15-08-2016, 21:43

Got no experience of either, but built in reg does not sound good as you will be buying one with every can, and 20lt is very expensive way of getting gas, but depends on how much you use your welder, Rick

jims-terrano · 15-08-2016, 22:15

I use Hobbyweld 5 bottles and they don't come with regulators. A standard regulator from Machine Mart fitted just fine. Costs £60 for the bottle and then £35 for each refill.

Don't know if mine works out cheap to use or not but have a local place that refills for me so nice and easy.

keefbeef · 15-08-2016, 22:25

Your right Jim, misread their web site - no built in reg. Got a price for 10L ... £60.00 deposit + £31.00 fill. Sounds like the 10L is the way to go. The 20L is £95 for bottle and £68 for refill. Waiting for prices from SGS.

solarman216 · 15-08-2016, 22:43

I hire a Y bottle from BOC £115 per year plus about £65 per changeover, even if I do lots of work a bottle can last almost 2 years, if it was my job and used it every day it would last 6 months, just for comparison, Rick

jims-terrano · 15-08-2016, 22:44

If you want any photos of the bottle just let me know.

To be honest I suspect if you were welding professional I think the bottle would be too small but DIY seems just fine. There are times when it's run out on me but it's never been end of the world just an inconvenience as much as anything.

solarman216 · 15-08-2016, 22:50

"Y" bottle stands 4ft high but the crucial difference is it is charged to 230 bar or 3500 psi, that is a lot of gas, Rick

keefbeef · 15-08-2016, 22:51

What about the pressure to which the bottle is filled? Claimed to make a different, but not sure why.

Hobbyweld - 137 bar

not sure about the other one.

macabethiel · 16-08-2016, 00:39

The only Gas Bottle I have is a Calor Gas one that I have used since 1974 initially for burning off paint and latterly just for plumbing jobs. It stands about 15 inches high and it is now on it's second re-fill !!

Last time I had to change the bottle at no extra cost for one with a push on type connector instead of a threaded valve!

When I bought it the deposit on the bottle from BOC cost more than the blow torch on the end but boy it has been useful over the years.

I even managed to fit a flywheel ring gear by putting the flywheel in the freezer overnight, heating the gear with the torch then using mole grips she just fitted over giving me enough time to hammer it into a snug fit !

terranosaurusdoug · 16-08-2016, 02:10

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Originally Posted by macabethiel

The only Gas Bottle I have is a Calor Gas one that I have used since 1974 initially for burning off paint and latterly just for plumbing jobs. It stands about 15 inches high and it is now on it's second re-fill !!

Last time I had to change the bottle at no extra cost for one with a push on type connector instead of a threaded valve!

When I bought it the deposit on the bottle from BOC cost more than the blow torch on the end but boy it has been useful over the years.

I even managed to fit a flywheel ring gear by putting the flywheel in the freezer overnight, heating the gear with the torch then using mole grips she just fitted over giving me enough time to hammer it into a snug fit !

I learnt to solder with one of those back in me college days, got a compact rothenberger superfire now, very posh

Blocky10 · 16-08-2016, 09:30

Various places are doing a 10 year lease.
E.g. here. This is what I'm going for

Screenshot_2016-08-16-09-28-13.jpg

Crap photo. Apologies.
Here's a link to the info page
http://www.ibweld.com/bottled-gases/3291349

15-08-2016, 21:08	#1
keefbeef Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: ireland Vehicle: 2003 Terrano 2.7 Posts: 131	Gas Supplier Gonna get me either a 10L or 20L gas bottle 95 argon/5 co. One of those rent free boyo's. We have two suppliers here. Hobbyweld or SGS. Any experience of either? I think the hobbyweld ones come with built in regulator, but have to get a converter.

15-08-2016, 21:43	#2
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	Got no experience of either, but built in reg does not sound good as you will be buying one with every can, and 20lt is very expensive way of getting gas, but depends on how much you use your welder, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

15-08-2016, 22:43	#5
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	I hire a Y bottle from BOC £115 per year plus about £65 per changeover, even if I do lots of work a bottle can last almost 2 years, if it was my job and used it every day it would last 6 months, just for comparison, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

15-08-2016, 22:50	#7
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	"Y" bottle stands 4ft high but the crucial difference is it is charged to 230 bar or 3500 psi, that is a lot of gas, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

16-08-2016, 00:39	#9
macabethiel Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Derby Vehicle: Freelander & Jeep GC 3.0 Posts: 4,416	Gas bottle - lifespan The only Gas Bottle I have is a Calor Gas one that I have used since 1974 initially for burning off paint and latterly just for plumbing jobs. It stands about 15 inches high and it is now on it's second re-fill !! Last time I had to change the bottle at no extra cost for one with a push on type connector instead of a threaded valve! When I bought it the deposit on the bottle from BOC cost more than the blow torch on the end but boy it has been useful over the years. I even managed to fit a flywheel ring gear by putting the flywheel in the freezer overnight, heating the gear with the torch then using mole grips she just fitted over giving me enough time to hammer it into a snug fit !

15-08-2016, 22:15	#3
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	I use Hobbyweld 5 bottles and they don't come with regulators. A standard regulator from Machine Mart fitted just fine. Costs £60 for the bottle and then £35 for each refill. Don't know if mine works out cheap to use or not but have a local place that refills for me so nice and easy.

15-08-2016, 22:25	#4
keefbeef Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: ireland Vehicle: 2003 Terrano 2.7 Posts: 131	Your right Jim, misread their web site - no built in reg. Got a price for 10L ... £60.00 deposit + £31.00 fill. Sounds like the 10L is the way to go. The 20L is £95 for bottle and £68 for refill. Waiting for prices from SGS.

15-08-2016, 22:44	#6
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	If you want any photos of the bottle just let me know. To be honest I suspect if you were welding professional I think the bottle would be too small but DIY seems just fine. There are times when it's run out on me but it's never been end of the world just an inconvenience as much as anything.

15-08-2016, 22:51	#8
keefbeef Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: ireland Vehicle: 2003 Terrano 2.7 Posts: 131	What about the pressure to which the bottle is filled? Claimed to make a different, but not sure why. Hobbyweld - 137 bar not sure about the other one.

16-08-2016, 09:30	#11
Blocky10 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Welcome to Norwich, a fine city Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 3.0 SVE Auto Posts: 3,601	Various places are doing a 10 year lease. E.g. here. This is what I'm going for Screenshot_2016-08-16-09-28-13.jpg Crap photo. Apologies. Here's a link to the info page http://www.ibweld.com/bottled-gases/3291349