Ex MOD Terrano - Am I missing something here

Banshee · 09-02-2015, 15:13

http://www.mod-sales.com/auction/veh...o_II_2.7Td.htm

Look at the shape and year, now take a look at the engine

Why would they have done that?

perelaar · 09-02-2015, 15:16

No intercooler, you mean? Strange - I have a 97 T2, with intercooler...

Banshee · 09-02-2015, 15:21

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Originally Posted by perelaar

No intercooler, you mean? Strange - I have a 97 T2, with intercooler...

It should be a TDi in a motor of that vintage but the picture shows the earlier TD non Intercooler

perelaar · 09-02-2015, 15:27

It does look to be the model with square headlights though, not the rounded separate ones. And LHD, at that - maybe used on a base in continental Europe, and 2000 being the year it was moved to the UK?
Not a good buy I'd say - what with the fluids being drained by cutting hoses

rustic · 09-02-2015, 15:35

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Originally Posted by Banshee

http://www.mod-sales.com/auction/veh...o_II_2.7Td.htm

Look at the shape and year, now take a look at the engine

Why would they have done that?

Engine is definitely a non intercooler 2.7td, even though it has the intercooler vent on the bonnet.

So reason one... the engine has been replaced from an older Terrano.
The car was ordered this way, and may have been part of a large batch.

So why the Td vs the Tdi?
Simply in one word... "reliability"

Less to go wrong on a Td than a Tdi, no specialist equipment to fix them in the field, older technology that the MOD are familiar with.
The lower power and extra fuel won't be an issue for the MOD.

Terranical · 09-02-2015, 15:51

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Originally Posted by rustic

Engine is definitely a non intercooler 2.7td, even though it has the intercooler vent on the bonnet.

So reason one... the engine has been replaced from an older Terrano.
The car was ordered this way, and may have been part of a large batch.

So why the Td vs the Tdi?
Simply in one word... "reliability"

Less to go wrong on a Td than a Tdi, no specialist equipment to fix them in the field, older technology that the MOD are familiar with.
The lower power and extra fuel won't be an issue for the MOD.

Agreed - reliability!

Banshee · 09-02-2015, 16:07

I'd hope if this is the case that it was done in the factory, what a nause to be doing a swap like that for no reason

Fez_uk · 09-02-2015, 16:19

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Originally Posted by rustic

So reason one... the engine has been replaced from an older Terrano.
The car was ordered this way, and may have been part of a large batch.

So why the Td vs the Tdi?
Simply in one word... "reliability"

one reason but the main reason is for Electromagnetic pulses, No ECU so can't be disabled by EMP weapons.

Same reason why many newer defenders in the military still have the 300tdi.

http://www.landroverexpedition.com/engines/300tdi/

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Land Rover continued to make the 300Tdi alongside for the export market as 'Rest of the World' spec, where EU regulations were not applicable, and for the British Army who deemed the Electronic control unable to guarantee protection against Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) weapons. - See more at: http://www.landroverexpedition.com/e....uzPaNMNx.dpuf

Madmark · 09-02-2015, 16:29

My reason would be mechanical deisel pump and like said before easier fix in middle of nowhere

Banshee · 09-02-2015, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Fez_uk

one reason but the main reason is for Electromagnetic pulses, No ECU so can't be disabled by EMP weapons.

Same reason why many newer defenders in the military still have the 300tdi.

http://www.landroverexpedition.com/engines/300tdi/

The 300TDi does have an ECU though

Fez_uk · 09-02-2015, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Banshee

The 300TDi does have an ECU though

Not on the defenders, think they have a basic ecu on the discos

Defenders have a small brain for the EGR valve but for military spec ones it won't be there.

My one was removed by the previous owner.

Banshee · 09-02-2015, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Fez_uk

Not on the defenders, think they have a basic ecu on the discos.

Ah!!!!! Right you are then!!!

I was going to say, I've def removed an ECU from a Disco before

rayf3262 · 09-02-2015, 17:40

Its LHD too, probably been in service overseas......

panelbeater · 09-02-2015, 17:42

looking at it i feel it is to costly jobs to repair and vat on top.it could have been well looked after though.

elty001 · 09-02-2015, 18:38

Mechanical fuel pump is a mod I have thought about doing to the tdi.
Bud did quite an in depth write up which I keep looking at and thinking about.
First thing I need to get sorted is my smoking engine.
Glow plugs are coming out and being inspected for the dreaded ceramic tip breakdown and if that's the case it will be new engine time.

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09-02-2015, 16:07	#7
Banshee Moderator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West Midlands Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van Posts: 13,526	I'd hope if this is the case that it was done in the factory, what a nause to be doing a swap like that for no reason __________________ Moderator 04' Terrano II SE 2.7 TDi SWB Commercial in Silver - Project Thread Toyo Open Country M/T 33's on 10J Steels, Super Strong Steering Job Navara D22 Snorkel, Front LOKKA, Maunal Hubs, EGR Blank TunitII ECU Chip, 3" Body Lift, 2" Suss Lift, Heat Exchanger Black Interior, 3.0 Borg&Beck Clutch, Eckes Heated Fuel Filter 99' Y61 Patrol GR SE 2.8 TD6 LWB in Blue/Silver - Project Thread Engine Transplant - In Progress!!!

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rayf3262 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Norfolk, Poringland NR14 Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2002 Posts: 1,549	Its LHD too, probably been in service overseas...... __________________ Remember what the dormouse said: Feed your head....

09-02-2015, 15:16	#2
perelaar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Belgium Vehicle: Terrano II 2.7TDi SWB '97 Posts: 802	No intercooler, you mean? Strange - I have a 97 T2, with intercooler...

09-02-2015, 15:27	#4
perelaar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Belgium Vehicle: Terrano II 2.7TDi SWB '97 Posts: 802	It does look to be the model with square headlights though, not the rounded separate ones. And LHD, at that - maybe used on a base in continental Europe, and 2000 being the year it was moved to the UK? Not a good buy I'd say - what with the fluids being drained by cutting hoses

09-02-2015, 16:29	#9
Madmark Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Dorset Vehicle: highly modded Terrano 2 Posts: 1,088	My reason would be mechanical deisel pump and like said before easier fix in middle of nowhere

09-02-2015, 17:42	#14
panelbeater Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: clacton on sea essex Vehicle: nissan terrano 2 2.7 tdi Posts: 1,637	looking at it i feel it is to costly jobs to repair and vat on top.it could have been well looked after though.

09-02-2015, 18:38	#15
elty001 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Aflreton,Derbyshire. Vehicle: 2000se+ 2.7tdi terrano II Posts: 6,832	Mechanical fuel pump is a mod I have thought about doing to the tdi. Bud did quite an in depth write up which I keep looking at and thinking about. First thing I need to get sorted is my smoking engine. Glow plugs are coming out and being inspected for the dreaded ceramic tip breakdown and if that's the case it will be new engine time.