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Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: norfolk
Vehicle: nissan patrol
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Hi new to the forum, I am in the building trade and need a vehicle that can pull a 3 ton cherry picker on a trailer that weighs a ton so total 4 tons? I been offered a Nissan patrol GR SE TD 1997 with a tachometer already installed on mark 2 nato towing bracket (quick releasing pin). The owner says that it has a train weight of 6200kg with weight of vehicle of 1900kg so leaving 4300kg for the trailer and cargo. The trouble is I am trying to confirm this? as we all know DVSA (old vosa) like paperwork, if pulled over.
any help on this would be very much appreciated. many thanks in advance. Gary |
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Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Vehicle: 1990 4.2 SWB Safari
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Hey mate, the Trols are rated to 3.5 ton for manual transmission and 2.5 ton for automatics.
They'll both pull a LOT more but not legally unless the owners had it replated ![]() In guessing it's a Y61 in which case the LWB is almost 3 ton gross weight so don't know where he's getting his figures from! |
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Off road maniac
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bexhill on Sea
Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs
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yes, Rick
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Off road maniac
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bexhill on Sea
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just read the full thread, there aint any T2 or Patrol that will pull 4 ton legally, in fact I doubt any "car" will you must be looking at a small truck like a transit van perhaps but even then pushing it, Rick
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Ex banger racer now off road maniac ![]() Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare. |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Staffordshire
Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB
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I think a limiting factor is on over run brakes, 3.5 tonne, if the vehicle and trailer are suitable.
I believe over 3.5 tonne is possible, but you need linked braking, ie active braking on the trailer rather than over run. Not sure what vehicles would be suitable, certainly LR's have been used this way in the past, not sure how replating the towing vehicle works either.
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Location: Hackenthorpe Sheffield
Vehicle: Terrano2 R20 lwb 2.7TDi
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train weight is full weight of tug n trailer.
think from memory a troll grosses at 3 tonne maybe little more so plus 3500 kg trailer, assuming manual box, gtw is about 6500 to 6600kg. ref transits, apart from a couple relatively recently introduced, they have never exceeded gross vehicle weight of 3500kg, ie twin wheel tippers, the rac hd swb vans max at 3300gvw due to tackle carried, oh and the rac trolls were always pushing their gvw, this from a pal that is an rac patrol.... those bigger transits, gross at 4600kg, so can tow longer trailers but i dont think they can manage heavier 3500kg trailers, basically ford's take on the hd merc sprinters popular with utilities on mwb twin wheel, seen often with a mini digger. Id say check weight of picker n trailer as wouldnt expect a picker to be that heavy after all many are on transit/ sprinter chassis cab or even on a van. if need a tug for something of a plant nature, heavier than 3500kg could do worse than look at unimogs, or see if can be carried on a 7.5tonner flatbed/ramped.
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Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van
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reckon tow weights have have reduced as green ovals have the generic max of 3500kg these days but sure my old 74rrc had plate on dash for 4000kg, and 6000/6500kg upto 18mph, ie using low box for farm trailers. Also some of the more hd yank pickups, ie in their model series 2500/3500 + can tow over 3500kg subject to gear ratios, look at ones seen towing the 5th wheel campers.
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Sevenoaks, Kent
Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDi SE Touring
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https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/d...at-you-can-tow If you passed your car test before 1 January 1997 you’re generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8,250kg MAM, but it seems the Trailer can not exceed 3500Kg |
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: norfolk
Vehicle: nissan patrol
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many thanks for your replies - me and the local test station here in norfolk have done some in depth research and with dvsa. Nissan patrol has a train weight of 6200kg but if you take the unladen weight (not the max what the patrol can carry) with one person 75kg and all fluids (kerb weight) 1839kg with any extras so lets take it up the 2000kg for arguments sake. The balance you left is what you can pull - 4200kg - in order to do so you must have a calibrated tachograph and in some circumstances an operators licence if for hire or reward. As long as you do not exceed the 6200kg. However you do not need a tachograph if you vehicle runs purely on LPG (ie no petrol tanks)
hope this helps - many thanks Gary |
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Off road maniac
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bexhill on Sea
Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs
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Just goes to show that the law makers have no effing idea, far too complicated for the average person to follow, shit government, and shit rules, Rick
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Ex banger racer now off road maniac ![]() Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare. |
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: norfolk
Vehicle: nissan patrol
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Please also remember you will need to upgrade the towing hitch to a 4000kg pin and eye stage 2 or above in order to comply and as suggested above you will need electrical brakes on a trailer above 3500kg your must also get your trailer plated to the correct weight ie 4 tons This may seem a lot of hassle, but it can be done. I am having a plant trailer altered to confirm - please remember there a lot of idiots out there who do not know how to tow or/and constantly breaking the law. If you have an accident and you are not legal your insurance may not pay out and you could be nicked (fines and points) it is not worth it. many thanks
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Sevenoaks, Kent
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Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van
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Please carry this on guys, I'm going to sticky this
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