towing a terano

drumbum1 · 11-03-2019, 20:08

was hoping someone can help me i am hoping to pick up a terano over the weekend unfortunately it hasnt got any mot, i can borow an a frame but can i tow it home or will it damage the 4x4 system

Lazy-Ferret · 11-03-2019, 20:15

You can put the transfer box into neutral, which then disconnects everything.

Depending on the age, and mods, you may also have manual front hubs, which to can switch off, so then it will only be the rear wheels driving the prop shaft up to the transfer box, but it is fine to tow even if you have fixed or auto hubs.

jims-terrano · 11-03-2019, 20:19

Might be easier to higher a trailer, i towed a terrano lwb on a trailer with another terrano lwb. Might be easier and safer but up to you.

solarman216 · 11-03-2019, 20:54

Correct me if I am wrong peeps, but I thought that if it has any wheels on the ground then it has to be insured, taxed and tested, even if being towed, Rick

macabethiel · 11-03-2019, 22:34

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Correct me if I am wrong peeps, but I thought that if it has any wheels on the ground then it has to be insured, taxed and tested, even if being towed, Rick

You are right Rick as it is still classed as a mechanically propelled vehicle even if the engine is a non runner.

Trailer is the only legal way, there are quite a few firms who transport vehicles some are quite reasonable depending on the distance involved. A lot of motor traders use such firms.

Lazy-Ferret · 11-03-2019, 23:20

Not sure this includes an A frame though...

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...es-and-dollies

It says vehicle and A frame are treated as a trailer, and the only thing I can see that might cause a problem is the A frame must operate the towed cars brakes on all wheels, to a set level.

solarman216 · 11-03-2019, 23:41

Mmmm over run piston on A frame via hose to piston fixed to brake pedal and some bracketry, sounds complicated also ignition would need to be on for brake lights then we have indicators, Mmmmm again Rick

Lazy-Ferret · 11-03-2019, 23:50

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Mmmm over run piston on A frame via hose to piston fixed to brake pedal and some bracketry, sounds complicated also ignition would need to be on for brake lights then we have indicators, Mmmmm again Rick

You need a trailer board, because being a trailer, it has to have triangular reflectors.

solarman216 · 11-03-2019, 23:50

Just had a quick look through that and it is more complicated, upon reversing the trailer brakes must disengage automatically, if the trailer separates then the brakes must activate automatically as well, think a trailer is easier, Rick

macabethiel · 12-03-2019, 01:50

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Originally Posted by Lazy-Ferret

Not sure this includes an A frame though...

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...es-and-dollies

It says vehicle and A frame are treated as a trailer, and the only thing I can see that might cause a problem is the A frame must operate the towed cars brakes on all wheels, to a set level.

I was never a traffic officer but my understanding is that the towed vehicle will always need to be insured etc if all four wheels are in contact with the ground as it is still a Mechanically Propelled Vehicle being used on a road. (Using includes when it is parked on a public road)

Yes when the vehicle is attached by an A frame towing device it then becomes a trailer as far as towing regulations are concerned but at the same time it does not cease to be a Motor Vehicle.

Many scrap yards will use a recovery truck that has a hoist with two wheels lifted off the ground. There are some recovery devices that have the front wheels on a sort of ramp with separate front wheels forming part of the towing device. Either way most of the regulations refer to the recovery of a broken down vehicle from the roadside.

A proper trailer is also much safer.

Back in 1968 I was towed from Grimsby to Derby on the end of a rope - bad old days eh!
The towing vehicle was an Opel Commodore Automatic - my car then was a Mini.

Banshee · 12-03-2019, 08:58

Agree with all of the above regarding the vehicle having to be insured. Also Clive, if you put the transfer box in neutral you'll get no drive at all, it needs to be in 2WD

Get a trailer for it mate, if you look around online you can find companies that will hire you an Ifor Williams etc for £50-£80 a day from past experience. This then raises the question of when you passed your test too as if it was after 2001 you will need to take an additional driving test first

Blocky10 · 12-03-2019, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Banshee

Also Jim, if you put the transfer box in neutral you'll get no drive at all, it needs to be in 2WD

I think Jim is suggesting put it into neutral to cut all drive, for towing

solarman216 · 12-03-2019, 20:12

And it was not Jim but Clive who suggested neutral, Rick

Blocky10 · 12-03-2019, 20:26

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Originally Posted by solarman216

And it was not Jim but Clive who suggested neutral, Rick

So it was

solarman216 · 12-03-2019, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Blocky10

So it was

Zac started it, Rick

11-03-2019, 20:08	#1
drumbum1 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: wales Vehicle: terano 2 Posts: 20	towing a terano was hoping someone can help me i am hoping to pick up a terano over the weekend unfortunately it hasnt got any mot, i can borow an a frame but can i tow it home or will it damage the 4x4 system

11-03-2019, 20:54	#4
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,428	Correct me if I am wrong peeps, but I thought that if it has any wheels on the ground then it has to be insured, taxed and tested, even if being towed, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

11-03-2019, 23:41	#7
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,428	Mmmm over run piston on A frame via hose to piston fixed to brake pedal and some bracketry, sounds complicated also ignition would need to be on for brake lights then we have indicators, Mmmmm again Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

11-03-2019, 23:50	#9
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,428	Just had a quick look through that and it is more complicated, upon reversing the trailer brakes must disengage automatically, if the trailer separates then the brakes must activate automatically as well, think a trailer is easier, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

12-03-2019, 08:58	#11
Banshee Moderator Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: West Midlands Vehicle: 04 2.7 SWB Terrano II Van Posts: 13,526	Agree with all of the above regarding the vehicle having to be insured. Also Clive, if you put the transfer box in neutral you'll get no drive at all, it needs to be in 2WD Get a trailer for it mate, if you look around online you can find companies that will hire you an Ifor Williams etc for £50-£80 a day from past experience. This then raises the question of when you passed your test too as if it was after 2001 you will need to take an additional driving test first __________________ Moderator 04' Terrano II SE 2.7 TDi SWB Commercial in Silver - Project Thread Toyo Open Country M/T 33's on 10J Steels, Super Strong Steering Job Navara D22 Snorkel, Front LOKKA, Maunal Hubs, EGR Blank TunitII ECU Chip, 3" Body Lift, 2" Suss Lift, Heat Exchanger Black Interior, 3.0 Borg&Beck Clutch, Eckes Heated Fuel Filter 99' Y61 Patrol GR SE 2.8 TD6 LWB in Blue/Silver - Project Thread Engine Transplant - In Progress!!! Last edited by Banshee; 15-03-2019 at 10:23.

11-03-2019, 20:15	#2
Lazy-Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sevenoaks, Kent Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDi SE Touring Posts: 5,221	You can put the transfer box into neutral, which then disconnects everything. Depending on the age, and mods, you may also have manual front hubs, which to can switch off, so then it will only be the rear wheels driving the prop shaft up to the transfer box, but it is fine to tow even if you have fixed or auto hubs.

11-03-2019, 20:19	#3
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	Might be easier to higher a trailer, i towed a terrano lwb on a trailer with another terrano lwb. Might be easier and safer but up to you.

11-03-2019, 23:20	#6
Lazy-Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sevenoaks, Kent Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDi SE Touring Posts: 5,221	Not sure this includes an A frame though... https://www.gov.uk/government/public...es-and-dollies It says vehicle and A frame are treated as a trailer, and the only thing I can see that might cause a problem is the A frame must operate the towed cars brakes on all wheels, to a set level.

12-03-2019, 20:12	#13
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,428	And it was not Jim but Clive who suggested neutral, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.