SVO

lacroupade · 15-04-2009, 16:09

Sorry to start a new thread on this but I'm keen to have a go, and things seem to have moved on a little bit from previous posts....

Having done an awful lot of reading on the subject and spoken to several people who have done it, I'm going to have a go at running my later T2 on SVO for a while, so I'm interested in more comments from peeps who've tried it. I've found several sources of clean (i.e.not crap-filled stuff from the local chipper) veg oil that, in bulk (I'm talking 500 litres upwards) costs as little as 45p/litre, and also, if I need it, a switchable pre-heater. Its not cheap at £130 inc shipping, but even at 25/75 oil/diesel it would pay for itself in about eight tankfuls - even faster in summer at higher ratios.

It also seems clear that in summer at least, I could in theory run it on almost 100% SVO as lots of people seem to do quite happily, and the Terrano engine with its old technology and Bosch fuel pump is the best placed powerplant to take advantage - but I'd probably settle for 50/50 max.

I know I've exchanged PMs with a couple of folks on here who are running on SVO but just interested in any other FIRST HAND* experiences....e.g. how often do you check for water in the fuel pump drain, any starting problems etc..etc...

(*i.e.. none of that "my mates cousins aunties best friends vets doctors gardener had a problem running his Ferrari on mazola so don't do it..."-type stuff....

And one interesting snippet for the scientists....some of you will know I have a prediliction for putting acetone in my diesel....around 120ml per fill-up...my neighbour, a retired industrial chemist who used to work for Esso tells me two things....(1) if I add approx 10% water (and like the SVO keep an eye on drain-cock) to the acetone mixer it increases the effect it has on the diesel (he did go all organic chemistry at that point but lost me in about a nano-second), but (2) the effect of acetone is apparently even greater if used in conjunction with SVO as it helps to offset viscosity problems and improve combustion.

Only time will tell.....!

So thats another plan!

15-04-2009, 16:44

I ran mine on SVO for nearly a year , i still have a brand new veggie oil heater kit around somewhere but never needed it :-)

I used to get corn oil from lidl @ 39p a litre but they stopped doing it :-(

then veggie oil went up and made it pointless.

Deleted account DD · 15-04-2009, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwin

then veggie oil went up and made it pointless.

Youve obviously got more money to spare than me

Brand new SVO from the likes of Makro or any bulk food warehouse (we have loads our area who will sell to anyone) is around £15 for 20 litres, that is 75p a litre.

Bog standard diesel is 99.9p a litre at best around here. Yes the odd bargain crops up but on a day to day basis thats it.

Therefore you save 25p a litre or in old money 4.54 x 25 = £1.13 a gallon

If a filling station knocked that off, there'd be qeues out of the door

Or put another way on a TII full fill up, 80 x 25p = £20

I put around 4 tankfuls a month through, more if we take the caravan away which means in the svo v's diesel costs I save at least £80 a month.

The only caveats are:

Make sure youre vehicle is compatable.

Dont use it when its well cold unless youve bought a heater kit.

No brainer really

15-04-2009, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

Youve obviously got more money to spare than me

Brand new SVO from the likes of Makro or any bulk food warehouse (we have loads our area who will sell to anyone) is around £15 for 20 litres, that is 75p a litre.

Bog standard diesel is 99.9p a litre at best around here. Yes the odd bargain crops up but on a day to day basis thats it.

Therefore you save 25p a litre or in old money 4.54 x 25 = £1.13 a gallon

If a filling station knocked that off, there'd be qeues out of the door

Or put another way on a TII full fill up, 80 x 25p = £20

I put around 4 tankfuls a month through, more if we take the caravan away which means in the svo v's diesel costs I save at least £80 a month.

The only caveats are:

Make sure youre vehicle is compatable.

Dont use it when its well cold unless youve bought a heater kit.

No brainer really

Well just looked and tesco are doing a 2 for 1 deal , thats 53p a litre ...
so i will be tanking up this week with SVO

Deleted account DD · 15-04-2009, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacroupade

the effect of acetone is apparently even greater if used in conjunction with SVO as it helps to offset viscosity problems and improve combustion.

Only time will tell.....!

So thats another plan!

I've heard that one too, didnt do chemistry (or did ............badly for a while

) it must make it more volatile and thinner by breaking it down without destroying it. Keep us updated on that one

Good luck with your trial run. The only point I would raise about WVO @ 45p a litre is that it will generally (I'm told) have a higher water content than new SVO.

Therefore check the fuel filter more often but having said that I was told SVO produced more water anyway, but when I changed my fuel filter a mechanic relative told me the amount in there was not measurably different to a straight diesel filter change.

I'm reckoning on changing my engine oil every 6-8k and fuel filter 10k, would seem like good practice anyway, I dont know what anyone else thinks.

Deleted account DD · 15-04-2009, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwin

Well just looked and tesco are doing a 2 for 1 deal , thats 53p a litre ...
so i will be tanking up this week with SVO

Good as, guess where I'll be off to

is that the 1 litre bottles?

I can see why a low mileage user wouldnt bother though.

15-04-2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

Good as, guess where I'll be off to

is that the 1 litre bottles?

I can see why a low mileage user wouldnt bother though.

yes thats the 1L bottles

Any 2 for £2.00 - valid from 25/03/2009 until 21/04/2009 - add 2 for offer

http://www.tesco.com/superstore/prod...vegatable+oil#

Deleted account DD · 15-04-2009, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwin

yes thats the 1L bottles

Any 2 for £2.00 - valid from 25/03/2009 until 21/04/2009 - add 2 for offer

http://www.tesco.com/superstore/prod...vegatable+oil#

I'm not registered on the tesco site so I cant follow the link but I wouldnt rush to the store, in store theyre £1.06 each or two for £2 no further discounts.Thats still £1 a litre , Makro wins round one against tesco

15-04-2009, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

I'm not registered on the tesco site so I cant follow the link but I wouldnt rush to the store, in store theyre £1.06 each or two for £2 no further discounts.Thats still £1 a litre , Makro wins round one against tesco

sorry I am a f wit

£1.06 for 2 x 1L bottles , 53p a litre

(i copied the wrong link)

lacroupade · 15-04-2009, 19:55

Well this is what I was looking at...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=160327423882

weighs 900 kilos and they can forklift it on to my twin-axle Ifor Williams....I'd just need to decant it into smaller containers to avoid water absorption (which apparently happens if not properly sealed or theres excess air present in the container)......

At approx 5 mls/ltr, the 2500 ltr annual max would give me 12500 miles p.a if used neat - apart from a bit of offroading, a lot of my miles are motorway so don't anticipate too many issues. If I go home to Wales every weekend in it I'm using at least a tankful of fuel per week.....so it would get used alright.

I figure if I rebottle and sell half of it at say 70p/ltr, the 500 ltrs i kept would end up costing me 30p a litre....hmmmm!

lacroupade · 15-04-2009, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwin

sorry I am a f wit

£1.06 for 2 x 1L bottles , 53p a litre

(i copied the wrong link)

Tesco here I come for experiment No1...

Deleted account DD · 15-04-2009, 19:57

Go for it

You'll be able to resell @ 50p - 60p per litre no problem.

15-04-2009, 19:57

This is what I have ....

Deleted account DD · 15-04-2009, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Tesco here I come for experiment No1...

DONT RUSH THERE I was in store about half an hour ago the offer there is £1.06 each or 2 for £2.

It is not 2 for 1 and is not going to be. (I had a big trolley and was prepared to use it

)

lacroupade · 15-04-2009, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

DONT RUSH THERE I was in store about half an hour ago the offer there is £1.06 each or 2 for £2.

It is not 2 for 1 and is not going to be. (I had a big trolley and was prepared to use it

)

oh well! still, it might be useful as an experiment as i have only quarter of a tank on at the moment so could sling 3-4 bottles in and see how it goes...

15-04-2009, 16:09	#1
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	SVO Sorry to start a new thread on this but I'm keen to have a go, and things seem to have moved on a little bit from previous posts.... Having done an awful lot of reading on the subject and spoken to several people who have done it, I'm going to have a go at running my later T2 on SVO for a while, so I'm interested in more comments from peeps who've tried it. I've found several sources of clean (i.e.not crap-filled stuff from the local chipper) veg oil that, in bulk (I'm talking 500 litres upwards) costs as little as 45p/litre, and also, if I need it, a switchable pre-heater. Its not cheap at £130 inc shipping, but even at 25/75 oil/diesel it would pay for itself in about eight tankfuls - even faster in summer at higher ratios. It also seems clear that in summer at least, I could in theory run it on almost 100% SVO as lots of people seem to do quite happily, and the Terrano engine with its old technology and Bosch fuel pump is the best placed powerplant to take advantage - but I'd probably settle for 50/50 max. I know I've exchanged PMs with a couple of folks on here who are running on SVO but just interested in any other FIRST HAND* experiences....e.g. how often do you check for water in the fuel pump drain, any starting problems etc..etc... (*i.e.. none of that "my mates cousins aunties best friends vets doctors gardener had a problem running his Ferrari on mazola so don't do it..."-type stuff.... And one interesting snippet for the scientists....some of you will know I have a prediliction for putting acetone in my diesel....around 120ml per fill-up...my neighbour, a retired industrial chemist who used to work for Esso tells me two things....(1) if I add approx 10% water (and like the SVO keep an eye on drain-cock) to the acetone mixer it increases the effect it has on the diesel (he did go all organic chemistry at that point but lost me in about a nano-second), but (2) the effect of acetone is apparently even greater if used in conjunction with SVO as it helps to offset viscosity problems and improve combustion. Only time will tell.....! So thats another plan!

15-04-2009, 16:44	#2
Darwin Guest Posts: n/a	I ran mine on SVO for nearly a year , i still have a brand new veggie oil heater kit around somewhere but never needed it :-) I used to get corn oil from lidl @ 39p a litre but they stopped doing it :-( then veggie oil went up and made it pointless.

15-04-2009, 19:55	#10
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	Well this is what I was looking at... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=160327423882 weighs 900 kilos and they can forklift it on to my twin-axle Ifor Williams....I'd just need to decant it into smaller containers to avoid water absorption (which apparently happens if not properly sealed or theres excess air present in the container)...... At approx 5 mls/ltr, the 2500 ltr annual max would give me 12500 miles p.a if used neat - apart from a bit of offroading, a lot of my miles are motorway so don't anticipate too many issues. If I go home to Wales every weekend in it I'm using at least a tankful of fuel per week.....so it would get used alright. I figure if I rebottle and sell half of it at say 70p/ltr, the 500 ltrs i kept would end up costing me 30p a litre....hmmmm!

15-04-2009, 19:57	#12
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Go for it You'll be able to resell @ 50p - 60p per litre no problem.