Whos got snow?

[MontysMaverick]

Originally Posted by briggie

todays 3rd tip ..... do not eat brown snow

Bloody hell pete, trust you, and here i am having a sausage sandwich with brown sauce on it for me supper

Well I was

[xkalibre]

couple of inches near retford last night

perfect to try out a couple of lanes in

[nenook]

well a trip to the shop i said early this morning, in the snow , 1 alternator and 3 new belts later, i finally managed to get out , moral of the story, be careful what you wish for

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by Fez_uk

if your lossing control I think having a lsd would help aslong as you kept gearing right with help from the front brakes. Surely it's better for 2 wheels to add friction than one? Anyway I'd be running 4wd. Maybe the beers have made it simple?

All I know is with the torque the T2 has its easy in snow to go drifting in 4WD just by flooring the throttle

And the point about the LSD is that, unlike a normal diff which loses all traction the minute one wheel starts spinning, the LSD always sends traction to the wheel that isn't spinning...buggered if I know why anyone thinks that would result in loss of control???

[R1cho]

i nearly span out today goin down a hill, then realised,,,,my foot was on the brake

[kbekl]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

All I know is with the torque the T2 has its easy in snow to go drifting in 4WD just by flooring the throttle

And the point about the LSD is that, unlike a normal diff which loses all traction the minute one wheel starts spinning, the LSD always sends traction to the wheel that isn't spinning...buggered if I know why anyone thinks that would result in loss of control???

thats not what i understand of a working lsd

the key is in the name limited slip, so it only allows a imited ammount of slip one side or the other but if traction is lost they both spin resulting in no traction at the rear at all which causes 180 spins most bmw's run a lsd and thats y they are dogs in the snow or the wet

[geoffdown]

Originally Posted by kbekl

thats not what i understand of a working lsd

the key is in the name limited slip, so it only allows a imited ammount of slip one side or the other but if traction is lost they both spin resulting in no traction at the rear at all which causes 180 spins most bmw's run a lsd and thats y they are dogs in the snow or the wet

you have just answered ur own question "imited ammount of slip one side or the other but if traction is lost they both spin" if they r both spinning then at least two wheels can try and find grip but with an open diff if 1 slips the other wheel wont turn at all untill the spinning wheel gets grip , but if u dont drive properly with a lsd diff it can kick out but if u were driving as the conductions allowed then this would not be a problem its a problem when u get some 1 driving the car with lsd and not knowing how to drive it as he is use to the old fashioned open diff hope that make sense

[kbekl]

Originally Posted by geoffdown

you have just answered ur own question "imited ammount of slip one side or the other but if traction is lost they both spin" if they r both spinning then at least two wheels can try and find grip but with an open diff if 1 slips the other wheel wont turn at all untill the spinning wheel gets grip , but if u dont drive properly with a lsd diff it can kick out but if u were driving as the conductions allowed then this would not be a problem its a problem when u get some 1 driving the car with lsd and not knowing how to drive it as he is use to the old fashioned open diff hope that make sense

yer but if they are both spinning it causes an equilibrium between road and tyre meaning that due to spinning they wont find traction and at 30mph on a bend what is going to happen to a lsd 4x4 with no traction over an open diff car with 1 wheel traction whilst the other spins, this is quite a common thing to happen to most 4x4 drivers that are new to it or havnt noticed a patch of ice or as you say are not used to a lsd

when i had the av the second it saw rain the back end would slip with normal amount of throttle when coming from a t junction, i havnt experianced it yet with the horn even tho that has lsd

[geoffdown]

Originally Posted by kbekl

yer but if they are both spinning it causes an equilibrium between road and tyre meaning that due to spinning they wont find traction and at 30mph on a bend what is going to happen to a lsd 4x4 with no traction over an open diff car with 1 wheel traction whilst the other spins, this is quite a common thing to happen to most 4x4 drivers that are new to it or havnt noticed a patch of ice or as you say are not used to a lsd

when i had the av the second it saw rain the back end would slip with normal amount of throttle when coming from a t junction, i havnt experianced it yet with the horn even tho that has lsd

if they r both spinning i.e turning they have a better chance of digging down and finding grip with an open diff it will go round corners better but the 1 which has grip wont turn and move u forward till the 1 spining finds grip

[geoffdown]

Originally Posted by kbekl

when i had the av the second it saw rain the back end would slip with normal amount of throttle when coming from a t junction, i havnt experianced it yet with the horn even tho that has lsd

my terrano only sliped abit when on full lock and the loud pedal pushed to the ground never kicked the back out but then i have changed my lsd oil and the bighorn dare i say it proberly does not have the power to do that

[kbekl]

Originally Posted by geoffdown

my terrano only sliped abit when on full lock and the loud pedal pushed to the ground never kicked the back out but then i have changed my lsd oil and the bighorn dare i say it proberly does not have the power to do that

i know it only has 20bhp more than the tdi and only at little more torque at 294

but is a little heavier and also an auto

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by kbekl

thats not what i understand of a working lsd

the key is in the name limited slip, so it only allows a imited ammount of slip one side or the other but if traction is lost they both spin resulting in no traction at the rear at all which causes 180 spins most bmw's run a lsd and thats y they are dogs in the snow or the wet

Karl, I think we are both explaining the same thing in different ways and I agree, if you give it too much throttle on solid ice, both wheels will spin same as an open diff would. But thats not an inadequacy of the diff.....those beemers would be just as shite without an LSD, its the fact they have way too much power to weight for such circmstances - ditto the T2 has too much torque if you floor it. Slow and easy is the key on icy stuff. Thats why the advice with 4WD is 'engage it but drive as if you had 2WD'.....

But if you are in a situation where, for example, one wheel is in a slimy mud puddle with zero traction, with an LSD you do still get traction on the other wheel, unlike an open diff wich would be losing all its power to the spinning wheel. So in mixed conditions it helps a lot.

Thats also why I think you'll find an LSD in a 4WD is differently geared to a sports cars LSD, the latter doesn't scrabble about on corners etc in the dry like ours does.

But nothing helps on seriously slippery surfaces....thats why I stuck that warning up earlier for peeps new to 4WD....it isn't a 'get out of jail' card!

[kbekl]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Karl, I think we are both explaining the same thing in different ways and I agree, if you give it too much throttle on solid ice, both wheels will spin same as an open diff would. But thats not an inadequacy of the diff.....those beemers would be just as shite without an LSD, its the fact they have way too much power to weight for such circmstances - ditto the T2 has too much torque if you floor it. Slow and easy is the key on icy stuff. Thats why the advice with 4WD is 'engage it but drive as if you had 2WD'.....

But if you are in a situation where, for example, one wheel is in a slimy mud puddle with zero traction, with an LSD you do still get traction on the other wheel, unlike an open diff wich would be losing all its power to the spinning wheel. So in mixed conditions it helps a lot.

Thats also why I think you'll find an LSD in a 4WD is differently geared to a sports cars LSD, the latter doesn't scrabble about on corners etc in the dry like ours does.

But nothing helps on seriously slippery surfaces....thats why I stuck that warning up earlier for peeps new to 4WD....it isn't a 'get out of jail' card!

if you drive properly it wont happen i know a few people who have spun a 4x4 lol it just happened they have had lsd, same as the frontera that fez posted some of them have lsd

the mud thing yes completly agree but i have got the mav stuck befor now lol but then i only really had at on

i got the horn stuck the second day of owning it on a step when i went green lanning but that was because the front auto locker didnt engage, did the same thing in the mav at the same place when the auto locker wasnt working

a few people went out yesterday to the peaks and a few of them found it was slipery couple had a tap going down hill lol

[Peasgood]

I was following a 4x4 around a long sweeping bend, it suddenly spun off, completely out of control.
This wasn't snow but a mixture of spilt diesel and rain.
Luckily for me he spun off onto the hard shoulder so wasn't in my way.
I went around the bend with no issues whatsoever, and I was in a Capri. Capris have probably got the worst reputation out there for being tail happy. lol

[briggie]

Originally Posted by Peasgood

I was following a 4x4 around a long sweeping bend, it suddenly spun off, completely out of control.
This wasn't snow but a mixture of spilt diesel and rain.
Luckily for me he spun off onto the hard shoulder so wasn't in my way.
I went around the bend with no issues whatsoever, and I was in a Capri. Capris have probably got the worst reputation out there for being tail happy. lol

i beg to differ .... i had a cortina estate