Pls Help! Towing weight woes!!

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by rustic

I guess it's all on the Plate.

My 2.7 TD LWB 1995 manual Maverick states the following:-

2580 kg This will be the Gross vehicle weight. (Axle 1 + Axle 2)

5360 kg This is Gross train weight. (Laden car + laden Trailer)

1 1160 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Front axle

2 1140 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Rear axle


If you subtract the Gross Vehicle weight from the Gross train weight, you will get the maximum towing weight.


5360 kg - 2580 kg = 2780 kg
My maximum gross weight for my trailer is 2500 kg so my set up is totally legal.

Looks like the right conclusion but theres no way 1160 + 1140 = 2580

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by briggie

http://www.nissanpress.co.uk/press_s...sions_2003.pdf

actually while that link doesn't cover the 2.7 auto it DOES confirm that internet data for the 3.0 ltr is wrong and that, like the 2.7, the 3.0 ltr auto version has a LOWER towing weight.

[Deleted account DD]

This is getting surreal and possibly for some a bit disappointing

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by daved

Looks like the right conclusion but theres no way 1160 + 1140 = 2580

Now you ARE confusing me...what has permitted axle weight got to do with towing weight, other than the extent to which it is influenced by the trailers noseweight?

[briggie]

if you look under " dimensions " on the following link , it gives some interesting figures

http://www.lestacarcentre.co.uk/used...01050375342294

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Now you ARE confusing me...what has permitted axle weight got to do with towing weight, other than the extent to which it is influenced by the trailers noseweight?

The combined axle weights are usually greater than the gvw not less because thats what theyve got to support

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by daved

The combined axle weights are usually greater than the gvw not less because thats what theyve got to support

ah with you, I misread your intentions there...damn!

[rustic]

Originally Posted by briggie

http://www.nissanpress.co.uk/press_s...sions_2003.pdf

This states gross trailer weight for automatic is 2000kg
Maximum load on hitch is 120 kg.

What happens to the weight on the rear axle if 120 kg is placed on the hitch, since this is behind the axle, it may increase rear axle load by say 150 kg, and reduce front axle by 30kg. ( leverage effect).

The trailer axle weight(s) will now be 2000kg - 120 kg. = 1880 kg

So if only axle loadings are looked at, there could be an overloading of the rear axle on the vehicle. Do any of us consider this when towing?

Or is this a reason the law allows a percentage overload before prosecution.

Would the law disconnect the trailer to weigh it or use axle loadings?

If ever you are weighed on a Public weighbridge it must be trade approved and in calibration, check their certificate at the weighbridge.
If not approved they cannot use the weights in court.

[rustic]

Originally Posted by rustic

I guess it's all on the Plate.

My 2.7 TD LWB 1995 manual Maverick states the following:-

2580 kg This will be the Gross vehicle weight. (Axle 1 + Axle 2)

5360 kg This is Gross train weight. (Laden car + laden Trailer)

1 1160 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Front axle

2 1140 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Rear axle


If you subtract the Gross Vehicle weight from the Gross train weight, you will get the maximum towing weight.


5360 kg - 2580 kg = 2780 kg
My maximum gross weight for my trailer is 2500 kg so my set up is totally legal.

Do the maths on your rating plate and see what the result is.

I have read somewhere that the law allow a percentage over load before they actually prosecute, but insurance companies may not if they don't want to pay out.
As long as there is a loop hole they won't pay out.

OOPS TYPO ERROR Sorry, Axle 2 should have been 1450 kg sorry for confusion.

[rustic]

Here's what it should have been oopps...

Originally Posted by rustic
I guess it's all on the Plate.

My 2.7 TD LWB 1995 manual Maverick states the following:-

2580 kg This will be the Gross vehicle weight. (Axle 1 + Axle 2)

5360 kg This is Gross train weight. (Laden car + laden Trailer)

1 1160 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Front axle

2 1450 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Rear axle


If you subtract the Gross Vehicle weight from the Gross train weight, you will get the maximum towing weight.


5360 kg - 2580 kg = 2780 kg
My maximum gross weight for my trailer is 2500 kg so my set up is totally legal.

Do the maths on your rating plate and see what the result is.

I have read somewhere that the law allow a percentage over load before they actually prosecute, but insurance companies may not if they don't want to pay out.
As long as there is a loop hole they won't pay out.

[felixthelogchopper]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

With respect, the Esso case was about a duff prediction of future sales volume, as opposed to a statement that a particular criteria would meet a parties specified requirement. Neither was this a 'mutual mistake' IMHO although I see where you are coming from....this is a clear cut case of misrepresentation by the seller (the alleged expert) in respect of a condition specified by the buyer.

And don't rely too heavily on Trading Standards in this case....they will probably advise both parties of what the law says in this situation, but if push came to shove it would still reuire legal action by the buyer to remedy the position.

With respect, you miss my point re Esso. My point was that it is distinguished this situation from Bisset v Wilkinson, ie that which could be argued to be an opinion rather than a relied upon fact, per Ormrod LJ. Possibly I should have cited Smith v Land and House Property Corporation instead but I tend to give the most recent precedent where possible.As for 'mutual mistake', surely unless you are claiming the salesman deliberately mislead rather than was just shamefully ill-informed then misrepresentation, which leaves the contract voidable, is not strictly true.Given the confusion from various sources with regard to the towing capabilities of the vehicle, mutual mistake would leave the contract automatically void.

[rustic]

Just to add even more confusion, if you have the more recent driver's licence and not pased the additional test, you are not allowed to tow a Gross train weight of more than..... GUESS ! 3500kg Please confirm value..

[cm2581]

Rustic - my vehicle is the older 2.7 TDi SE+ 5d Auto - not the 3.0 stated here.

And I have passed my B+E test - I've even had compliments on my reversing skills from BOYS!!!!!

[felixthelogchopper]

Originally Posted by cm2581

Rustic - my vehicle is the older 2.7 TDi SE+ 5d Auto - not the 3.0 stated here.

And I have passed my B+E test - I've even had compliments on my reversing skills from BOYS!!!!!

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by felixthelogchopper

With respect, you miss my point re Esso. My point was that it is distinguished this situation from Bisset v Wilkinson, ie that which could be argued to be an opinion rather than a relied upon fact, per Ormrod LJ. Possibly I should have cited Smith v Land and House Property Corporation instead but I tend to give the most recent precedent where possible.As for 'mutual mistake', surely unless you are claiming the salesman deliberately mislead rather than was just shamefully ill-informed then misrepresentation, which leaves the contract voidable, is not strictly true.Given the confusion from various sources with regard to the towing capabilities of the vehicle, mutual mistake would leave the contract automatically void.

shut up clever clogs and go and chop some trees