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[macabethiel]

Originally Posted by jims-terrano

I think one of the problems is the police are far out numbered by the population. The governments cuts have also hit numbers, resources and morale.
What dealings I've had with the police they've generally being pretty fair and pleasant people. I think they become hardened through their training and also the scum they have to deal with on a day to day basis.
I was involved in an accident earlier this year and happened almost in front of a couple of PCSO's on the beat. They couldn't of been more helpful to all of us involved.

Nice to hear Jim. Towards the end of my service I did a spell in Probationer Training and did some Field Training Support out on Division. I have to say I was impressed with many of the new recruits in particular some of the women officers who seemed to excel with communication and empathy skills and become excellent CID officers with an old head on young shoulders.

[Deano400]

I did 8 years as a bobby both in a rural area and an urban area and I joined to uphold law and fight crime. How naive I was. The stark reality is that most bobbies can't do just what they want as above. I'm not going to go into depth as to the whys and wherefores, there's just too much to write about the reasons the Police can't do enough/what they really want.
I got fed up of how it was going and I wasn't the only one, a few of my mates who also had a trade like me left too.

I will say one thing though, if you don't like it, why don't you join up and see what the job is really like? Face the public, deal with all the shit jobs and all that you complain about that aren't getting done. See how far you get.

It's not like "The Bill" you know.

[larson]

Originally Posted by jims-terrano

I think one of the problems is the police are far out numbered by the population. The governments cuts have also hit numbers, resources and morale.
What dealings I've had with the police they've generally being pretty fair and pleasant people. I think they become hardened through their training and also the scum they have to deal with on a day to day basis.
I was involved in an accident earlier this year and happened almost in front of a couple of PCSO's on the beat. They couldn't of been more helpful to all of us involved.

i disagree about police numbers.. the numbers are large enough but the fact they have a lot of paper work and some lazy police coupled by the specials talking out of turn telling all the estate things they should not just hinders them..

less paper work and bigger trunchons is the way to go imo people no longer fear the police and maybe they should



there are people who do p.a. work with good english and computer skills that could do an office job sifting through police paper work while the coppers pound the footpaths catching people that need to be locked up

[macabethiel]

Originally Posted by bry

He has paid, a tenner.

No he has not paid, anyway I might argue in my spare time !

[jims-terrano]

Interesting to see how this thread has developed and to see everyone's opinions and perceptions. One of the few times in life that we actually truly have freedom of speech.

[macabethiel]

Originally Posted by Deano400

I did 8 years as a bobby both in a rural area and an urban area and I joined to uphold law and fight crime. How naive I was. The stark reality is that most bobbies can't do just what they want as above. I'm not going to go into depth as to the whys and wherefores, there's just too much to write about the reasons the Police can't do enough/what they really want.
I got fed up of how it was going and I wasn't the only one, a few of my mates who also had a trade like me left too.

I will say one thing though, if you don't like it, why don't you join up and see what the job is really like? Face the public, deal with all the shit jobs and all that you complain about that aren't getting done. See how far you get.

It's not like "The Bill" you know.

Too right Deano : its a fact that many young officers watched "The Bill" and joined up on that basis and that's before we were Policing by Objectives, Targets etc. These days if you have not done a spell in the Specials you struggle to get through the paper sift yet alone interview stage.

The real change during my service was the effect of hard drugs particularly Heroin. 25 years ago you would get one Heroin addict every 2 months through the custody block. At the end of my service over half of the prisoners on a daily basis were addicts or people with serious mental health problems. When they shut so many Mental Hospitals they improved life for some patients but many ended in and out of prison due to lack of support and resources.

Its the Social Workers that seem to get no support from the Press and like the Police are blamed for our social problems or are blamed when a baby dies. Sadly many of the "Fly on the Wall" TV programmes are edited so much for entertainment that they do not illustrate the real problems amongst the population.

[clivvy]

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

[larson]

Originally Posted by clivvy

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

[macabethiel]

Originally Posted by clivvy

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

Well just one final post from me on this subject.

The origins of the Police can be traced back to the Peelers who replaced the Hue and Cry.

Police Officers are made up from normal members of society who apply to join.

We have some corrupt officers, some lazy, some officious, some rude, some brilliant, some average, some above average etc etc the composition is a reflection of the society they police albeit under represented in some ethnic areas.

If you are going to moan about modern Policing then in the long view you have yourselves to blame - we get the police we deserve and the media are rarely interested in a job well done.

I was assaulted about 3 times during my 27 years in the job and never made an injury on duty claim or took sick leave as a consequence.

Now its the norm to go off sick for a week to make your injury on duty claim look valid and a payout from the CICB.
Can you see the link with our litigation obsessed culture ?

Everyone wants the Police and Social workers to pick up society's mess and bleat about how they are paid to do the work and should do it properly for the money the taxpayer gives them.

We would not need Social Workers if our society was not fractured but the State is no good at childcare. Viz the recent case where a Child was virtually starved to death and no one took any action until he died.

Join the Specials give up your spare time and make a difference by providing the police attitude we all crave for.

Right I am off my soap box now................

[Deano400]

Originally Posted by clivvy

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

Actually you are not tarred with the same brush as the scumbags, that's just utter cobblers. And I never met a bobby who thought people had "Petty" problems except the ones who really did have non Police related problems. Please remember there are people out there that are just attention seekers too.
Yes, you've heard it all before and no you won't believe it but I'm gonna say it anyway because I know it to be true. There are places and times when there are next to no Police available. Would it shock you to know that one new years eve I was the only Bobby working ? Yes, New years eve when people get drunk and there are lots of domestics. Did I have to be very careful knowing that my backup was at least 10-15 minutes away and in that time I could easily get a good hiding. You're damn right I did, but I couldn't just hide in the station you know !
I did my fair share of attending, investigating and catching criminals and I did my fair share of ticketing motorists and I'm not ashamed of it. I literally arrested hundreds of people in the fairly short time I was a copper.
I dealt with accidents, sudden deaths, death messages, burglars, murderers, people beaten up and a fantastic number of domestics, kids causing nuisance and missing people and one dog locked in a boiling car !
I helped people with directions, I gave first aid, I even got people into cars they'd locked themselves out of.
I spent many of my hours on nights out of my car sneaking round looking for burglars and catching them I might add. And I also got assaulted many times.
I put up with scumbags sitting opposite my house intimidating my wife just by being there.
I was never petty, I did a damn good job and I loved helping people that's one of the reasons I joined and why I got out because I couldn't do that properly anymore. I took many people to court who basically got off with a slap on the wrist and I'm talking burglars thieves and thugs here. But do I hear of anyone on here sayig that magistrates/courts/punishment guidelines are poor?
The job is a mostly thankless task but along with the unpleasant memories I still have the good ones, of walking round in shirtsleeves in summer chatting to people who loved to see a bobby on the beat ( I walked many miles ) and the thrill of the chase and bringing criminals in and the camerarderie.

And I know how the argument goes, if you are so busy/undermanned how come you have time to ticket innocent motorists ? I'm not saying that there isn't a minute ever free from other duties, but picture this, what if we said ok no one is gonna bother with road traffic law anymore? Just get on with it and do your own thing. That wouldn't work out so well.

Complain all you want but remember they are there in the backgrond 24 hours a day often watching us as and our families as we all sleep and will put their lives on the line for you if necessary, if only there were more bobbies, less paperwork and no ridiculous government targets. Try also to remember they are human beings and most of them are trying to do a job with enormous restrictions on how they do it.

Anyway, I've been here before and I know the usual outcome of the discussion and most of you will be saying blah blah blah.

[firebobby]

[jims-terrano]

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[TONUP]

Originally Posted by AD Ent

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Alan

[zippy656]

Well said Deano

But you cant ticket innocent motorists. Only the one on there phone, speeding ect.


Its a simple thing follow the rules, or dont play. ( my mums saying, think she was talking about monomplay, the fits driving too)