2 Stroke Oil in your Diesel - Page 3

rayf3262 · 02-10-2010, 00:04

As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

Deleted account DD · 02-10-2010, 00:49

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Originally Posted by rayf3262

As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

Correct (had no idea what the chemical name is)but it does not remain in the system visible for dipping. It effectively gets flushed out and as far as dipping is concerned it never existed. It is also pretty easily removed by certain readily available chemicals

Theres so much bullshit and myth out there about everything from permanent marking through to radioactive isotopes that cling to the internal metal work.

I asked the hypothetical question of what happens if I buy a vehicle thats been ran on red then take it back on the road on legit fuel. The answer is quite simply that after a fairly short throughput of diesel (not going to tell you exactly how much cos Ive got this from the right side of the fence

) the red never existed.

makeitfit · 02-10-2010, 00:54

They do dipping round here boss, and not just the sheep

I've personaly donated my time for a dip in a laybye

Grrrr, jobs worths

solarman216 · 02-10-2010, 01:24

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Originally Posted by daved

Correct (had no idea what the chemical name is)but it does not remain in the system visible for dipping. It effectively gets flushed out and as far as dipping is concerned it never existed. It is also pretty easily removed by certain readily available chemicals

Theres so much bullshit and myth out there about everything from permanent marking through to radioactive isotopes that cling to the internal metal work.

I asked the hypothetical question of what happens if I buy a vehicle thats been ran on red then take it back on the road on legit fuel. The answer is quite simply that after a fairly short throughput of diesel (not going to tell you exactly how much cos Ive got this from the right side of the fence

) the red never existed.

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

rayf3262 · 02-10-2010, 01:35

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Originally Posted by solarman216

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

yes, all true but you "self declare" what is used for propulsion vs. what is used for heating, power generation etc....

Derek · 02-10-2010, 22:14

if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

zippy656 · 02-10-2010, 22:19

best go to them and point it out..

other wise best change tanks

Deleted account DD · 03-10-2010, 14:55

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Originally Posted by solarman216

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

Cant see that swap as a problem at all in any way shape or form. You have an instant unambiguous and clear defence to the tank showing red. However they MAY have you by the goolies down the line because all they have to do is look at the shade of red compared to the engine running hours. ie no or zero hours since switch over, no problem red being present. 500 hours and unlikely it would still be "bright" red due to throughput and dilution.

Concensus of opinion is fine but it sounds like pump and tank suppliers would make a few bob out of that nifty piece of scaremongering

My comments on enforcement are based entirely (well almost) on info from the individuals carrying doing just that for HMRC at the roadside. We play nicely together regularly. We have to living in one of the busiest chemical industry areas (including petrochemicals) in the country

Deleted account DD · 03-10-2010, 14:58

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Originally Posted by zippy656

best go to them and point it out..

other wise best change tanks

read my post before the panic sets in and you start changing tanks and other bollocks

Deleted account DD · 03-10-2010, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Derek

if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

The circumstances of how it is dealt with is at the discretion of the enforcement officer. If the circumstances arise you have described, say as youre driving it back from the auction, other checks are available through via dvla to mention just one.

Its a classic case of if youve not got anything to hide and have completed the paperwork as youre supposed to it may just cover your butt

briggie · 03-10-2010, 15:05

im guessing the same rules apply if your caught using green diesel in the uk ?

briggie · 03-10-2010, 15:10

can you use parrafin in a diesel car ?

. cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?

briggie · 03-10-2010, 15:18

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Originally Posted by briggie

can you use parrafin in a diesel car ?

. cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?

parrafin / kerosene ? ..... or was it a stupid question ?

Deleted account DD · 03-10-2010, 15:26

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Originally Posted by briggie

can you use parrafin in a diesel car ?

. cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?

probably work but the cost saving easily negated when they take your car off you

briggie · 03-10-2010, 15:30

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Originally Posted by daved

probably work but the cost saving easily negated when they take your car off you

perhaps if i explained i was using it for heating purposes , ie ... putting the heater on in the car .... obviously id have to run the engine

02-10-2010, 00:04	#31
rayf3262 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Norfolk, Poringland NR14 Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2002 Posts: 1,549	As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

02-10-2010, 00:54	#33
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	They do dipping round here boss, and not just the sheep I've personaly donated my time for a dip in a laybye Grrrr, jobs worths

02-10-2010, 22:14	#36
Derek Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: nottinghamshire Vehicle: Ford Maverick Posts: 100	if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-10-2010, 22:19	#37
zippy656 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Devizes Wiltshire Vehicle: Nissan Note Ntec 1.5 Posts: 14,138	best go to them and point it out.. other wise best change tanks

03-10-2010, 15:05	#41
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	im guessing the same rules apply if your caught using green diesel in the uk ?

03-10-2010, 15:10	#42
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	can you use parrafin in a diesel car ? . cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?