Tips for driving in the Snow: - Page 3

lacroupade · 09-01-2010, 23:46

We forgot to mention Mr "Aircon is only for summer" who can't see feck all cos he drives along with the inside of his car windows looking like a Kew gardens greenhouse......

Oh and I'm going off the boil a bit on the old Jeep......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-revealed.html

zippy656 · 10-01-2010, 10:38

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Originally Posted by thor

It's a pity we couldn't get a sticker made something to the effect....
'Why 4x4..remember January 2010'

im sure we could.

have to do a little research...

Deleted account DD · 10-01-2010, 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Oh and I'm going off the boil a bit on the old Jeep......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-revealed.html

Dont, the validity of that report depends on the data they looked at. A knowleagble report will separate the Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee (the data the telegraph comments on doesnt so its flawed straight off). They are significantly different. I dont know for sure but I dont think they even come from the same production line.

Then when you look at Grand Cherokees they need splitting down by age and engine. Generally pre 1999 seems to have had more problems. I dont know what date the swap over was but the old diesel (3 litre?) was not errr....much loved, some of the petrol engines i am told are problematic. The intro of the merc 2.7 tdi changed some of that. Thats why I jumped in when I spotted mine for sale. To date it hasnt disappointed.

Parkers give one run of grand cherokee 4 stars out of 5 for reliability http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...okee-1999.aspx
and the Terranos many of you are happily running 3 1/2 stars http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...rano-1993.aspx

How do you interpret that

The warranty direct data used points more towards repeated occurences of warranty funded repairs on a model so lets take the Terrano MAF. Its a minor irritation rather then a major problem but if every one that conked out was claimed under warranty from them the terrano would get a massive hit and look very bad whilst the fact of the matter is thats not correct.

Dont forget as well the data is collated from warranty direct. Therefore theres no data from main dealers and retailers who underwrite their own cars or use someone like Olympic warranties. or even more so someone like me who haggles a deal and doesnt boter with a warranty (sale of goods act covers most points anyway)

On my car theyve had problems with servos sticking on the climate control. That would be a mega claim. However the reason is labour. Wheras I'm not bothered sitting all saturday taking the dash to bits and fitting a £50 servo, at a dealer that would cost you nigh on £800

so for me again its a pain but not a big problem.

As far as Jeep build quality goes, (style is purely taste, one mans meat is anothers poison) it is excellent on the 02 one I have. On an "engineering" type assesment of the build , everything works, nothings rotted or dropped off that I can find. On a nice note, its the first car of this age I've had with no rattles and squeaks. It realy is that well screwed together.

I'll admit, I'm pleasantly surprised

extreme-4x4 · 10-01-2010, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

Dont, the validity of that report depends on the data they looked at. A knowleagble report will separate the Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee (the data the telegraph comments on doesnt so its flawed straight off). They are significantly different. I dont know for sure but I dont think they even come from the same production line.

Then when you look at Grand Cherokees they need splitting down by age and engine. Generally pre 1999 seems to have had more problems. I dont know what date the swap over was but the old diesel (3 litre?) was not errr....much loved, some of the petrol engines i am told are problematic. The intro of the merc 2.7 tdi changed some of that. Thats why I jumped in when I spotted mine for sale. To date it hasnt disappointed.

Parkers give one run of grand cherokee 4 stars out of 5 for reliability http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...okee-1999.aspx
and the Terranos many of you are happily running 3 1/2 stars http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...rano-1993.aspx

How do you interpret that

The warranty direct data used points more towards repeated occurences of warranty funded repairs on a model so lets take the Terrano MAF. Its a minor irritation rather then a major problem but if every one that conked out was claimed under warranty from them the terrano would get a massive hit and look very bad whilst the fact of the matter is thats not correct.

Dont forget as well the data is collated from warranty direct. Therefore theres no data from main dealers and retailers who underwrite their own cars or use someone like Olympic warranties. or even more so someone like me who haggles a deal and doesnt boter with a warranty (sale of goods act covers most points anyway)

On my car theyve had problems with servos sticking on the climate control. That would be a mega claim. However the reason is labour. Wheras I'm not bothered sitting all saturday taking the dash to bits and fitting a £50 servo, at a dealer that would cost you nigh on £800

so for me again its a pain but not a big problem.

As far as Jeep build quality goes, (style is purely taste, one mans meat is anothers poison) it is excellent on the 02 one I have. On an "engineering" type assesment of the build , everything works, nothings rotted or dropped off that I can find. On a nice note, its the first car of this age I've had with no rattles and squeaks. It realy is that well screwed together.

I'll admit, I'm pleasantly surprised

whereas paullllllyyyyyyyyyyyys beemer z4 gayboy hairdresser wagon...
has bits of card all over the interior to stop the rattles and squeeks...

sadly he's not found anything to shut the screeeeeeech up LMFAO

lacroupade · 10-01-2010, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

whereas paullllllyyyyyyyyyyyys beemer z4 gayboy hairdresser wagon...
has bits of card all over the interior to stop the rattles and squeeks...

sadly he's not found anything to shut the screeeeeeech up LMFAO

Ooooh is that the sound of a little green monster I hear? Maybe Miss Eastbourne would like to come for a ride in the pashwagen and check out my gearstick? LMAO!

And LOL at the size of Dave's post.

Oh well, I can't hang around here entertaining you lot all day - DIY beckons

extreme-4x4 · 10-01-2010, 12:16

so you dont deny the card , fixing the rattles and squeaks then

Deleted account DD · 10-01-2010, 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

so you dont deny the card , fixing the rattles and squeaks then

lmao.

I have to say the Jeep is the only car of this age I've ever had (especially where I've taken it to bits and tried to put it back the same

) that doesnt have any dashboard trim rattles that I can hear

tbh spurious articles like the telegraph one really piss me off. Theyre nothing but a snapshot picture and serve little purpose.

You must also remember the 2 best ways to mislead people,

either lie or give them "statistics"

lacroupade · 10-01-2010, 18:05

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Originally Posted by rayf3262

Food for thought; I was contemplating retro fitting seat heaters too, seats come apart easily enough, and I think for the sake of a tenner butchering one of these from Maplin may be a good start....certainly a lot cheaper than most of the commercial offerings....

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...C=MS&U=storage

Careful ray, the MkIV has got active head restraints and seat side airbags, check for the tags sewn on to the seat and headrest......I'd fiddle at your peril....

Deleted account DD · 10-01-2010, 18:10

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Originally Posted by lacroupade

Careful ray, the MkIV has got active head restraints and seat side airbags, check for the tags sewn on to the seat and headrest......I'd fiddle at your peril....

Not quite sure how the insurance company would view a claim if something melted or caught fire either

Ps I didnt know you had a Z4

I thought it was a blokes BMW you had ?

lacroupade · 10-01-2010, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

Not quite sure how the insurance company would view a claim if something melted or caught fire either

Ps I didnt know you had a Z4

I thought it was a blokes BMW you had ?

F*ck right off you!

extreme-4x4 · 10-01-2010, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

Not quite sure how the insurance company would view a claim if something melted or caught fire either

Ps I didnt know you had a Z4 I thought it was a blokes BMW you had ?

he does . its the 2 blokes who take it in the gary glitter kind of bmw

lacroupade · 10-01-2010, 18:26

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Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

he does . its the 2 blokes who take it in the gary glitter kind of bmw

scoff not less ye be scoffed......you didn't mind taking it up the jacksie that night we got drunk did you.....

rayf3262 · 10-01-2010, 18:26

Thanks for the heads up,

I have read all of the dire warnings in the workshop manual !
I did my electronics apprenticeship with the MOD at PERME: Propellants, Explosives & Rocket Motors Establishment, so I am respectful of things that go bang or burn extremely rapidly!

Deleted account DD · 10-01-2010, 18:30

awww

lacroupade · 10-01-2010, 22:51

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Originally Posted by daved

awww

this was it all geared up ready for a bit of snow action.....not...

09-01-2010, 23:46	#31
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	We forgot to mention Mr "Aircon is only for summer" who can't see feck all cos he drives along with the inside of his car windows looking like a Kew gardens greenhouse...... Oh and I'm going off the boil a bit on the old Jeep...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-revealed.html

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extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	so you dont deny the card , fixing the rattles and squeaks then

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rayf3262 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Norfolk, Poringland NR14 Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2002 Posts: 1,549	Thanks for the heads up, I have read all of the dire warnings in the workshop manual ! I did my electronics apprenticeship with the MOD at PERME: Propellants, Explosives & Rocket Motors Establishment, so I am respectful of things that go bang or burn extremely rapidly!

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Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	awww