Another 3 points!

[zippy656]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

oh hush - and you a moderaterifier too! shame on y'all!

lol i think hes just turned green cause hes ILL

[Deleted account DD]

Some camera use is dodgy. Some is excellent. No doubts.

Unfortunately if you were in a 30mph zone, they will have allowed you to hit at least 33 probably 35 before prosecution kicked in.shown to be decent. As most speedos (lets be realistic here) are at least the allowed 10% out and they got you at 39, your speedo was most likely reading over 40. easy done I know and have had points to show for it but the fact remains well over the limit (25% + ) from the drivers perspective.

As far as all the technicalities go, the camera ops have heard all the defence strategies and had so many test cases the vast majority are very wise to it all now and wouldnt field an uncalibrated unit or untrained op.

However as part of the process they do have to allow disclosure of all evidence so contact and ask them, they'll let you know how.

As far as catching workers on the way to work thats a bit paranoid. I will say some of the most spectacular unplanned field access, tree wrapping and general crash barrier destruction I have seen has been from early morning shift swap over journies.

I'm not judging you here, far far from it, just pointing out the way it is


ps caught AGAIN .......learn man learn!!!!!

[clivvy]

dont be so harsh on Mundy, the LAW are way worse for breaking speed limits than your average driver liek Mundy. I bet that camera van broke the limit to get there.

Its a tough one though, because if you challenge it, you coudl end up worse off. But as other have suggested, try to find out if the equipment was calibrated correctly, wass a trainee copper using it etc etc, the only problem is you cant get this info unless you challenge them!!

the law sir, is an ass. most of the time.

[mav]

Its like everything else mate, Pay up and look happy, Sorry.

Mav.

[Damian Strudley]

Invest in a snooper device, try to find an old one on Fleabay as the new ones are not allowed to be sold with radar detection, they are only allowed pre programmed sites...

Mine saved me a few times coming out of the Dartford tunnel, a 30 mile zone before going back up to 50 on the A2 before getting to 70 further on, the amount of times I've accelerated to get out of the way of a foriegn truck driver where 14 lanes become 3...

But a few times the kojak with kodak sat on the first bridge catching antbody who was accelerating to early...

Also I found it useful on the A1 at night when clear road at 01.00 in the morning no other cars in site and they were set at 30 in the road works...

Was the best few pounds spent..... But dont get caught with it over seas as they can take the car off you in some places

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by clivvy

dont be so harsh on Mundy, the LAW are way worse for breaking speed limits than your average driver liek Mundy. I bet that camera van broke the limit to get there.

Its a tough one though, because if you challenge it, you coudl end up worse off. But as other have suggested, try to find out if the equipment was calibrated correctly, wass a trainee copper using it etc etc, the only problem is you cant get this info unless you challenge them!!

the law sir, is an ass. most of the time.

Not being harsh on him at all in fact at great pains to point out I aint judging him just stating the way it is and the balance of evidence that will be placed AGAINST him. Read it properly

As far as the van speeding to get there, or a trainee using the unit, or even the calibration.............what a load of ~~~~.

Dig out the ACPO guidlines and read, theyre in the public domain.

The law is an Ass at times no prob , but not at others. Most people who say it is , carte blanche, generally have little or no understanding of it or dont want to know

Just out of interest are you aware that most areas still use the principle that the road in question must have had a level of injury/death over a year to be allowed as a target road

I'm not actually a fan at all of the cameras though I accept their limited use is relevant. As far as punishment goes, dont start me on that one

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by Damian Strudley

Invest in a snooper device,

[P40MRT]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Well I guess that makes 90% of the population criminals then....so you've never ever exceeded the speed limit - ever?

I don't claim to be a saint - yes, I have, and occasionally still do break the speed limit. I got three points back in 2001 for doing 37 in a 30 limit, but I accepted the punishment - I took the points and paid the fine.

[tezzer]

i use the road angel with mobile camera alert, it senses front and rear for radar, it works very well, it picks out the bridges over m25 with cameras, if you can get one go for it, got mine from e-bay, be careful because some dont see radar.



tezzer

[zippy656]

Originally Posted by tezzer

i use the road angel with mobile camera alert, it senses front and rear for radar, it works very well, it picks out the bridges over m25 with cameras, if you can get one go for it, got mine from e-bay, be careful because some dont see radar.



tezzer

but Terry, if it sees the radar, is it not to late?

same with them all, best not speed. in the first place

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by daved

Just out of interest are you aware that most areas still use the principle that the road in question must have had a level of injury/death over a year to be allowed as a target road

I thought that was the case - I'd heard a figure of a three or five km radius which is the justification sometimes used for siting a camera van in an 'easy pickings' location on some quiet road that happens to be within spitting distance of, say, a dual carriageway with a track record.

I think thats what pees most folks off...they are so often sited in places where its easy to guarantee a return, as opposed to genuinely reducing accident rates.

I once went to the local police station to complain about the fact that a camera van had been parked up no less than six times in five months in a small, quiet village where a 40 limit turned into a 30 on a long shallow bend so it was easy to catch people as they slowed...having lived in the area for 30-odd years I know theres never been so much as a pushbike accident down there, so have to assume the parish council is noisy or connected...but of course it happens to be only a mile from the passing A34 dual carriageway.

Yet the damn thing could have been used somewhere that was a genuine danger to keep people alert.

I remember when I used to drive in Ireland a lot, the thing that slowed me down the most was a simple 'Accident Blackspot' sign, because they only used them where that was genuinely the case, so you knew it was in your best interests to take care.

Oh that and the odd tinker brewing up on a fire in the middle of the road (I swear! ask Pajo - not that he was the tinker of course!).

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by P40MRT

Not being funny, but you've committed a crime - take the punishment and learn the lesson...

until all the evidence is in we dont know he has, get a copy of the photo if you can and see if there are any other vehicles in the frame, and follow the advice above, if the equipent or procedure was wrong then you have not comited a crime, that is only the case once you have been convicted and punished.

accepting it maybe the wrong thing to do, as surely it is a crime in itself to admit to something you may not have done? so make sure first and then if it is the case that you are in the wrong then as P40MRT says you have to face the music!

[Deleted account DD]

Theres no doubt in my mind some areas did immediately see cash signs rolling past them when the legislation allowed remote camera prosecutions which imho are often a step back.

However as I said earlier , although the rules have now been changed, you used to have to prove a reason for the cameras operating in a given area, a lot of areas still stick by that and only deviate when a significant and proven number of complaints are received.

An example of that, and I defy anyone to put the camera op in the wrong, is near us.

It was identified that on a major single carriageway where a massive number of HGVs pass per day including hazardous goods, the speed limit was being thrashed.

A survey was done (camera measuring not prosecuting )and this was found to be the case along with a significant level of poor driving.

A large scale campaign was launched and anyone in the industry around the area must have retired under a rock for two months if they missed it.

Another survey was conducted after those two months and although the average had dropped the worst offenders who were generally in excess remained the 7.5t plus hazardous goods carriers !!!!!!!!!!!! ie potentially the most dangerous to be involved in any kind of incident.

A decision was made to enforce and another message was sent out stating that. There are also camera signs all along that road.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone now caught along there, no doubt the motorist who passes me most mornings in his performance saloon at approx 80 to 90mph near a crest alongside a one way emerging junction will be the poor innocent caught. or perhaps it will be the other performance saloon that went past the camera team (yes and they were were in an overt vehicle) at 1pm on a busy day and was recorded @ 100mph. Thats either dangerous driving gross stupidity or both!!!

Feel sorry for them..................not a chance...........if anyone else falls into the net that's stopping them, tough.

Most of us are no angels but not stupid or reckless . Thats the difference.

[Liam]

Not only brewing up,now they race these trotting horses on them and have even done so on Motorways and dual carriageways and other major roads. Heard recently our Criminal Assets Bureau is looking very closely at their shiny cars and caravans, with a view to determining where the cash came from. Anyway the police here do the same thing with speed traps, always on good roads and entering 30mph zones.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by pajo

Not only brewing up,now they race these trotting horses on them and have even done so on Motorways and dual carriageways and other major roads. Heard recently our Criminal Assets Bureau is looking very closely at their shiny cars and caravans, with a view to determining where the cash came from. Anyway the police here do the same thing with speed traps, always on good roads and entering 30mph zones.

god bless the tinkers!!! thats hysterical!