Veg Oil - Page 2

08-10-2007, 09:05

the older engines are usally better little bitov wear and not so many electroncs and fancy bits on them lucas pumps tend not to like it for some reason bosch fine so have butchess see whats on your old beast

bigjim · 08-10-2007, 09:10

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Originally Posted by jace

the older engines are usally better little bitov wear and not so many electroncs and fancy bits on them lucas pumps tend not to like it for some reason bosch fine so have butchess see whats on your old beast

Its as basic as they come jace just a pump dont think its got any fancy eletronic stuff at all :!:

08-10-2007, 09:30

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Originally Posted by bigjim

Does anyone use the free oil from the chip shops???? i know it has to be filtered and the only bad thing i have heared about it is seperating the animal fats from the cooking oil? but a filtering machine can't be hard to manufacture???? can It???? :idea:

The filter has to be to 5 microns (I think) and I'm not technical so I don't know what 5 microns is! I believe that to buy they are expensive but having not looked just going on what I heard. But if you gonna give it a lot of use you'll make your money back?

bigjim · 08-10-2007, 11:05

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Originally Posted by cameraman

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Originally Posted by bigjim

Does anyone use the free oil from the chip shops???? i know it has to be filtered and the only bad thing i have heared about it is seperating the animal fats from the cooking oil? but a filtering machine can't be hard to manufacture???? can It???? :idea:

The filter has to be to 5 microns (I think) and I'm not technical so I don't know what 5 microns is! I believe that to buy they are expensive but having not looked just going on what I heard. But if you gonna give it a lot of use you'll make your money back?

Five micron,s is blinking small, years ago we had a serface polisher that polished to within 2microns and that could only be measured with light deflection, transmitting a light beam across the surface of a prepaired surface using a glass thingy, if the prisum went one way it was convect and the other concave but it never gave you an actual size just if the surface was flat or not :?: blimey i am getting old that was 24 years ago :?: :?: :?: -banghead-

bigjim · 08-10-2007, 11:10

I don't know what 5 microns is! (Quote)
My be wrong? and no doubt some one will say if i am wrong? I think its 1 millionth of an inch :?: :?:

08-10-2007, 11:34

wonder what the coffee machine filters go down to?

bigjim · 08-10-2007, 12:16

I think that you can buy canester type with housings like on your car put these in series and pump through them it should do the job :?:

08-10-2007, 12:49

I just rechecked and this is what I found:

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Clean: There shouldn't be any bits in your oil. Diesel is particle-free down to 25 microns, so if you are using waste oil, get a 25 micron filter and pass the oil through that. Discard the gack. Most food oils are filtered and just fine, but you will need to avoid those bitty, murky, tasty first-pressing olive oils. They're way too expensive to burn, anyway!

I got my information from here: http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm so if 5 microns is very small what is 25 microns? 8O 8O

rustic · 08-10-2007, 14:42

A micron is one millionth of a metre.
Or 1 thousandth of a milimetre (as there are 1000 mm in 1m)

So 5 microns is VERY small, and 25 microns is 5 times bigger.
The problem with a 5 micron filter, is that it will clogg quickly, you will need a coarser filter in front to get rid of the bigger particles.
And an even coarse strainer to get rid of the bones

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To understand size...
Cigarette smoke particles are very small approx 1/3 of a micron.

08-10-2007, 15:14

if u google it it fetches up water purifier filters so like you say passing oil through would be slow and itd clog real quick! there was some lads in kenilworth who had 45gallon drums at different heights on pallets with outlet tap about 6" up drum used to let settle drain into next through filter then do same couple times gues filters got gradualy finer an finer

08-10-2007, 18:14

vegetable oil be it sunflower/rapeseed new or recycled has a nasty habit of cleaning your fuel tank out of any old muck you have in there right into your filters,it also has a tendency to attract water so if your motor starts to get sluggish its time to change that filter.Also after speaking to a customer i had a delivery to the other day you may have troubles with fuel lines starting to deteriorate internally ending up with fuel lines splitting,but for the price of a fuel filter and possibly new fuel lines its worth having a go at.

Terranosaurus · 08-10-2007, 18:46

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Originally Posted by judoleigh

vegetable oil be it sunflower/rapeseed new or recycled has a nasty habit of cleaning your fuel tank out of any old muck you have in there right into your filters,it also has a tendency to attract water so if your motor starts to get sluggish its time to change that filter.Also after speaking to a customer i had a delivery to the other day you may have troubles with fuel lines starting to deteriorate internally ending up with fuel lines splitting,but for the price of a fuel filter and possibly new fuel lines its worth having a go at.

Most of that applies to used not SVO. The cookin process breaks the oils down into fatty acids which attack things.

As well as filtering the oil you need to remove the water content, to do this you need to bring it up to about 70 degrees C and then it will separate out.

Between the "drying", settling and filtering ect you'll have a lot of fuel "in process" at anyone time, you'll end up needing at least half a domestic garage put over to fuel production which is one of the reasons I didn't bother. The other is sourcing the used oil in the first place, problem is theres now a bit of competition for the stuff and chip shops etc want someone who will reliably take theres away everytime they have enough to get rid of, they don't want someone who just takes it when they want some, so the commercial bio-fuel producers are ok they can do that but the rest of us can't.

On another tack, it was a reasonably cold night last night round here and whilst the van started up ok it was a bit smokey but ran. I didn't have enough veg so was going to the gaage next door for some dino diesel. When I pulled up she wouldn't switch off. Turned and even removed the key and just kept running, I assume the thicker oil, especially as still cold was preventing the shut off valve from closing - something to think about.

(RIP) PLANK · 08-10-2007, 19:31

COLD WEATHER IS COMING! try putting a litre of veg oil in the fridge over night and look again in the morning!

yes you have a lump of lard! if that happend in your tank you are going no where, or worse still your fuel pipes pump and injectors!

perhaps better to mis it 50/50 now winter is comin on!

does anyone have a decent link to the new rules on veg oil as fuel?

Terranosaurus · 08-10-2007, 20:13

Think THIS is it but my version of Adobe reader has just packed up so can't check.

Deleted Member S · 08-10-2007, 20:37

Thats working fine HB :smile: with Adobe reader 8.1 I think it is I have :roll:

08-10-2007, 14:42	#24
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	A micron is one millionth of a metre. Or 1 thousandth of a milimetre (as there are 1000 mm in 1m) So 5 microns is VERY small, and 25 microns is 5 times bigger. The problem with a 5 micron filter, is that it will clogg quickly, you will need a coarser filter in front to get rid of the bigger particles. And an even coarse strainer to get rid of the bones : : To understand size... Cigarette smoke particles are very small approx 1/3 of a micron. __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

08-10-2007, 09:05	#16
jace Guest Posts: n/a	the older engines are usally better little bitov wear and not so many electroncs and fancy bits on them lucas pumps tend not to like it for some reason bosch fine so have butchess see whats on your old beast

08-10-2007, 11:10	#20
bigjim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 549	I don't know what 5 microns is! (Quote) My be wrong? and no doubt some one will say if i am wrong? I think its 1 millionth of an inch :?: :?:

08-10-2007, 11:34	#21
jace Guest Posts: n/a	wonder what the coffee machine filters go down to?

08-10-2007, 12:16	#22
bigjim Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 549	I think that you can buy canester type with housings like on your car put these in series and pump through them it should do the job :?:

08-10-2007, 15:14	#25
jace Guest Posts: n/a	if u google it it fetches up water purifier filters so like you say passing oil through would be slow and itd clog real quick! there was some lads in kenilworth who had 45gallon drums at different heights on pallets with outlet tap about 6" up drum used to let settle drain into next through filter then do same couple times gues filters got gradualy finer an finer

08-10-2007, 18:14	#26
judoleigh Guest Posts: n/a	vegetable oil be it sunflower/rapeseed new or recycled has a nasty habit of cleaning your fuel tank out of any old muck you have in there right into your filters,it also has a tendency to attract water so if your motor starts to get sluggish its time to change that filter.Also after speaking to a customer i had a delivery to the other day you may have troubles with fuel lines starting to deteriorate internally ending up with fuel lines splitting,but for the price of a fuel filter and possibly new fuel lines its worth having a go at.

08-10-2007, 19:31	#28
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	COLD WEATHER IS COMING! try putting a litre of veg oil in the fridge over night and look again in the morning! yes you have a lump of lard! if that happend in your tank you are going no where, or worse still your fuel pipes pump and injectors! perhaps better to mis it 50/50 now winter is comin on! does anyone have a decent link to the new rules on veg oil as fuel?

08-10-2007, 20:13	#29
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	Think THIS is it but my version of Adobe reader has just packed up so can't check.

08-10-2007, 20:37	#30
Deleted Member S Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,711	Thats working fine HB :smile: with Adobe reader 8.1 I think it is I have :roll: