Firearms stuff - Page 2

AlexD333 · 17-09-2014, 19:50

Thankyou for the info chaps

I do love this forum, it's the best

solarman216 · 17-09-2014, 22:15

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm food for thought, I do not need a gun but if I did I would make my own, as for ammo blanks are readily available and for me easily convertible, so I am just thinking out loud, if I can do it how hard is it for others with more of a motive, as have said before a sure sign a society is in decline is when more and more unenforceable rules are bought in by the rulers in an effort to regain control, but all will fail, nuff said, Rick

AlexD333 · 17-09-2014, 22:16

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Originally Posted by solarman216

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm food for thought, I do not need a gun but if I did I would make my own, as for ammo blanks are readily available and for me easily convertible, so I am just thinking out loud, if I can do it how hard is it for others with more of a motive, as have said before a sure sign a society is in decline is when more and more unenforceable rules are bought in by the rulers in an effort to regain control, but all will fail, nuff said, Rick

A custom gun would be a cool one to target shoot with at a club

No before anyone says anything

macabethiel · 18-09-2014, 01:45

OK so we all know that a home made gun still needs a certificate etc and the consequences of being in trouble with the plod should you be found out. A good mate of mine is also concerned about the decline in his neighbourhood wants some self protection from intruders without the risks associated with using any kind of gun.

He has mentally come up with a relatively simple means of self defence the Mk1 idea was a large can of hairspray that he had with him when he answered the door at night the first blast would be to spray into the face of the unwanted followed by ignition from a cigarette lighter if the desired affect was not reached.

The Mk 2 idea was a simple spray container containing an accelerant of your choice. e.g Meths, White Spirit or Petrol. After wetting the intruder with said fluid a short warning would follow before the ignition stage was initiated. (Warning is optional for Ladies and the less able bodied.)

Personally I think a flame thrower would be better but perhaps not ideal if you have kids in the house !! LOL

AlexD333 · 18-09-2014, 06:34

I love it, but I'm sure you'd get out away for that

macabethiel · 18-09-2014, 07:59

P.S. If you do get a Shotgun just a word of warning do not shoot through a bathroom door its Culpable Manslaughter.

All this talk of Shotguns reminds me of a true story.

My younger brother went babysitting for some friends of his then girlfriend locally in Mickleover.
When he arrived with his girlfriend the man of the house took him into the lounge to show him his brand new Pump Action Shotgun (We are going back 36 years).

The bloke proceeded to show him the self loading mechanism and fortunately the gun barrell was pointing upwards as there was still a round in the system and it went off blowing a hole in the lounge ceilling. It did not make a huge hole in the ceiling due to the angle when it was accientally discharged and the fact that it was Wimpey Artexed.

The funny bit when everyone got over the initial shock was when water started to come through the ceiling as he had holed the central heating pipes. It was all the funnier when my brother told me the bloke had a very attractive West Indian wife and that he was a P.C. in Derby. He was on a different shift to me but worked at the same place the old St Marys Gate Poice Station. He never did work out how everyone at work found out about his mishap. It did not due his Street Cred at the Nick any good. LOL

On a serious note the consequences could have been very severe it could have killed or seriously injured someone in the room.

AlexD333 · 18-09-2014, 09:32

oh dear, sounds quite funny though!!

Can you use a shotgun in a range (minus clay pidgeon shooting)

Shotgun does appeal to me too, but I enjoy range shooting .

Thats another thing that confuses me - we are limited to 22 cal rifles ect but can lurke around a massive great shotgun (whats the deal with that

)

Perhaps the fact that the shotgun is so limited on range and ammo capacity?

Barrbeast · 18-09-2014, 10:01

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Originally Posted by AlexD333

oh dear, sounds quite funny though!!

Can you use a shotgun in a range (minus clay pidgeon shooting)

Alex mate do you ever think about things before posting them?

Unless you have a solid shot cartridge (which I don't even think you can get over here) then a shotgun will fire a spray of pellets which gets larger the further you are away from target - so what would be the point in range shooting it? Having had to (sadly

) put down sheep in the past I know that you have to be practically point blank to get the pellets grouped in one mass.

Also, most shotguns only have a rudimentary sight on the end of the barrel(s) - mine's a side-by-side so the sight is between both barrels.

Shotguns are designed to make it easier to hit something that's moving hence the spray of pellets - although even then it's not easy!

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Originally Posted by AlexD333

Thats another thing that confuses me - we are limited to 22 cal rifles ect but can lurke around a massive great shotgun (whats the deal with that

)

Perhaps the fact that the shotgun is so limited on range and ammo capacity?

Got it one, effective range (the pellets lose velocity very quickly) and a maximum of two shots before reloading. With a shotgun license you can have an auto or a pump action instead of a traditional two barrel but the magazines have to be plugged to hold only two cartridges (including the one in the barrel).

Of course, if you have a shotgun certificate AND a firearms certificate you can own an auto shotgun without any restriction on capacity (my mate has one and its great for pest control on his farm) but I beleive you need to have a really good reason!

AlexD333 · 18-09-2014, 13:10

Cheers for that mate,

Yep I hadnt really thought that bit through had I

Guess I am just keen to get going and having a shotgun too is appealing, just clay pidgeon wasnt top on my list.

Is there any other form of shooting shotgun besides this?

Thats what I meant earlier

Barrbeast · 18-09-2014, 13:30

No bother bud

Game shooting/pest control on farmland/in woods etc is the only other one apart from clays.

But you need the landowner's permission to shoot on their ground and you have to be very careful of what you are shooting at and backdrop etc especially near roads (same applies whether it's shotgun or rifle - rifle even more so).

Clays can be fun and that's how a lot of people learn, a slightly different style to game shooting though and sometimes folk are better at one over the other, depending on how they learnt.

I learnt to shoot a shotgun doing mainly rough game shooting which means you don't have much time to think as it's usually snap shooting at a suddenly appearing (and disappearing) target. Have always found I struggle more on the odd occassion I do clays as you know when it's coming and where from

If there's a clay range nearby it can be good fun, but get a few lessons as it's not as simple as looking down the sight and putting an X on the target eg. I was taught to shoot a shotgun with both eyes open and you have to keep sweeping the barrels through the target as you pull the trigger.

Getting a shotgun certificate will also be easier than getting your firearms certificate,

AlexD333 · 18-09-2014, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Barrbeast

No bother bud

Game shooting/pest control on farmland/in woods etc is the only other one apart from clays.

But you need the landowner's permission to shoot on their ground and you have to be very careful of what you are shooting at and backdrop etc especially near roads (same applies whether it's shotgun or rifle - rifle even more so).

Clays can be fun and that's how a lot of people learn, a slightly different style to game shooting though and sometimes folk are better at one over the other, depending on how they learnt.

I learnt to shoot a shotgun doing mainly rough game shooting which means you don't have much time to think as it's usually snap shooting at a suddenly appearing (and disappearing) target. Have always found I struggle more on the odd occassion I do clays as you know when it's coming and where from

If there's a clay range nearby it can be good fun, but get a few lessons as it's not as simple as looking down the sight and putting an X on the target eg. I was taught to shoot a shotgun with both eyes open and you have to keep sweeping the barrels through the target as you pull the trigger.

Getting a shotgun certificate will also be easier than getting your firearms certificate,

Hmm not sold on the idea of hunting

Imdo have a shooting club 2 mins from my front door, but as I'm moving soon

I don't know if I start the ball rolling if it's transferable?

Barrbeast · 18-09-2014, 18:17

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Originally Posted by AlexD333

Hmm not sold on the idea of hunting

Imdo have a shooting club 2 mins from my front door, but as I'm moving soon

I don't know if I start the ball rolling if it's transferable?

You'll do better to wait until you've moved bud as each police area handles applications for their area, it's not centralised.

AlexD333 · 18-09-2014, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Barrbeast

You'll do better to wait until you've moved bud as each police area handles applications for their area, it's not centralised.

Right ok then. So if I want a play a local club might let me shoot without a fac but wait till I find the club for me

supergnome · 18-09-2014, 19:21

" You'll do better to wait until you've moved bud as each police area handles applications for their area, it's not centralised. "
I would add that some authorities are " more efficient " than others. David.

AlexD333 · 18-09-2014, 19:22

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Originally Posted by supergnome

" You'll do better to wait until you've moved bud as each police area handles applications for their area, it's not centralised. "
I would add that some authorities are " more efficient " than others. David.

Probably Biggleswade is better than London

innit bruv

17-09-2014, 22:15	#17
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,430	Mmmmmmmmmmmmm food for thought, I do not need a gun but if I did I would make my own, as for ammo blanks are readily available and for me easily convertible, so I am just thinking out loud, if I can do it how hard is it for others with more of a motive, as have said before a sure sign a society is in decline is when more and more unenforceable rules are bought in by the rulers in an effort to regain control, but all will fail, nuff said, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

18-09-2014, 01:45	#19
macabethiel Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Derby Vehicle: Freelander & Jeep GC 3.0 Posts: 4,416	Home made protection OK so we all know that a home made gun still needs a certificate etc and the consequences of being in trouble with the plod should you be found out. A good mate of mine is also concerned about the decline in his neighbourhood wants some self protection from intruders without the risks associated with using any kind of gun. He has mentally come up with a relatively simple means of self defence the Mk1 idea was a large can of hairspray that he had with him when he answered the door at night the first blast would be to spray into the face of the unwanted followed by ignition from a cigarette lighter if the desired affect was not reached. The Mk 2 idea was a simple spray container containing an accelerant of your choice. e.g Meths, White Spirit or Petrol. After wetting the intruder with said fluid a short warning would follow before the ignition stage was initiated. (Warning is optional for Ladies and the less able bodied.) Personally I think a flame thrower would be better but perhaps not ideal if you have kids in the house !! LOL

18-09-2014, 07:59	#21
macabethiel Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Derby Vehicle: Freelander & Jeep GC 3.0 Posts: 4,416	The Oscar way P.S. If you do get a Shotgun just a word of warning do not shoot through a bathroom door its Culpable Manslaughter. All this talk of Shotguns reminds me of a true story. My younger brother went babysitting for some friends of his then girlfriend locally in Mickleover. When he arrived with his girlfriend the man of the house took him into the lounge to show him his brand new Pump Action Shotgun (We are going back 36 years). The bloke proceeded to show him the self loading mechanism and fortunately the gun barrell was pointing upwards as there was still a round in the system and it went off blowing a hole in the lounge ceilling. It did not make a huge hole in the ceiling due to the angle when it was accientally discharged and the fact that it was Wimpey Artexed. The funny bit when everyone got over the initial shock was when water started to come through the ceiling as he had holed the central heating pipes. It was all the funnier when my brother told me the bloke had a very attractive West Indian wife and that he was a P.C. in Derby. He was on a different shift to me but worked at the same place the old St Marys Gate Poice Station. He never did work out how everyone at work found out about his mishap. It did not due his Street Cred at the Nick any good. LOL On a serious note the consequences could have been very severe it could have killed or seriously injured someone in the room.

17-09-2014, 19:50	#16
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Thankyou for the info chaps I do love this forum, it's the best

18-09-2014, 06:34	#20
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	I love it, but I'm sure you'd get out away for that

18-09-2014, 09:32	#22
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	oh dear, sounds quite funny though!! Can you use a shotgun in a range (minus clay pidgeon shooting) Shotgun does appeal to me too, but I enjoy range shooting . Thats another thing that confuses me - we are limited to 22 cal rifles ect but can lurke around a massive great shotgun (whats the deal with that ) Perhaps the fact that the shotgun is so limited on range and ammo capacity?

18-09-2014, 13:10	#24
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Cheers for that mate, Yep I hadnt really thought that bit through had I Guess I am just keen to get going and having a shotgun too is appealing, just clay pidgeon wasnt top on my list. Is there any other form of shooting shotgun besides this? Thats what I meant earlier

18-09-2014, 13:30	#25
Barrbeast Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Dundee, Scotland Vehicle: 1990 4.2 SWB Safari Posts: 2,615	No bother bud Game shooting/pest control on farmland/in woods etc is the only other one apart from clays. But you need the landowner's permission to shoot on their ground and you have to be very careful of what you are shooting at and backdrop etc especially near roads (same applies whether it's shotgun or rifle - rifle even more so). Clays can be fun and that's how a lot of people learn, a slightly different style to game shooting though and sometimes folk are better at one over the other, depending on how they learnt. I learnt to shoot a shotgun doing mainly rough game shooting which means you don't have much time to think as it's usually snap shooting at a suddenly appearing (and disappearing) target. Have always found I struggle more on the odd occassion I do clays as you know when it's coming and where from If there's a clay range nearby it can be good fun, but get a few lessons as it's not as simple as looking down the sight and putting an X on the target eg. I was taught to shoot a shotgun with both eyes open and you have to keep sweeping the barrels through the target as you pull the trigger. Getting a shotgun certificate will also be easier than getting your firearms certificate,

18-09-2014, 19:21	#29
supergnome Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Isle of Axholme Vehicle: T2, 2.7 TDI 2002 lwb Posts: 955	" You'll do better to wait until you've moved bud as each police area handles applications for their area, it's not centralised. " I would add that some authorities are " more efficient " than others. David.