MOT Day - Page 2

Banshee · 19-07-2013, 16:21

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Originally Posted by R1cho

Shame all my welding gear is up at new house or would have done it for you

Ah shoot

thanks for the offer though mate
Anyone else?

puddle hoppers inc. · 19-07-2013, 20:52

bad news bud!

Banshee · 19-07-2013, 21:05

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Originally Posted by puddle hoppers inc.

bad news bud!

I was chuffed mate lol

I just thought they were going to pick up on really expensive stuff that I'd missed

You know anyone who can weld near us?

Banshee · 19-07-2013, 21:12

Easy peasey!!!!!

New copper washer for the brake pipe, 6 cotter pins and 30 quids worth of welding, reading some peoples horror stories with these I think I got away lightly

puddle hoppers inc. · 19-07-2013, 21:35

yep, could be worse... just chuck more waxoil on aqfter welding chap

R1cho · 19-07-2013, 21:45

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Originally Posted by puddle hoppers inc.

yep, could be worse... just chuck more waxoil on aqfter welding chap

only cover it in primer after welding the mot place will want to see its been done properly

Kishada · 19-07-2013, 22:35

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Originally Posted by R1cho

only cover it in primer after welding the mot place will want to see its been done properly

What I can't see, I can't fail

If it's lashed with waxoyl or underseal all I would be doing is using the corrosion inspection tool to hit it and make sure the repair is secure and continuous from the original body to the plate all around... if you could even discern this. Testers cannot remove anything from the vehicle and that includes underseal or waxoyl.

It baffles me how many people take an MOT certificate to imply that the vehicle is in good working order. All I can say is due to the constraints we operate under such as only being able to test what we can see without removal of anything, 'benefit of the doubt' and 'minimum standard' then this is exactly why there is no substitute for a proper service.

solarman216 · 19-07-2013, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Kishada

What I can't see, I can't fail

If it's lashed with waxoyl or underseal all I would be doing is using the corrosion inspection tool to hit it and make sure the repair is secure and continuous from the original body to the plate all around... if you could even discern this. Testers cannot remove anything from the vehicle and that includes underseal or waxoyl.

It baffles me how many people take an MOT certificate to imply that the vehicle is in good working order. All I can say is due to the constraints we operate under such as only being able to test what we can see without removal of anything, 'benefit of the doubt' and 'minimum standard' then this is exactly why there is no substitute for a proper service.

have things changed that much since the 70's when I was a tester, we could use a hammer on suspect rust and if it made holes it failed, brake tests were done with a tapley meter, how things change, Rick

makeitfit · 20-07-2013, 00:15

Oh yes, big time. My son's an apprentice spanner monkey and is learning the ropes on the MOT side of things too.
The MOT inspector saw my Trol one day after laning and it was caked in mud. He said you bugger better not be in for MOT as his shaker plates will cause many tons of mud to rain down on him with great vengance

He said if I had brought in like that there's nothing he can do to see what's behind it all

A plan formed PDQ I can tell you

Other problems now with seam welding , or lack of it. The garage does a lot of classic car work. Old panels replaced can't be spot welded (although they came out the factory that way), so the concours guys are now seam glueing the panels on and then putting spot welds on for authenticity . Now how the hell can he check it's glued too ? It's nuts.

Kishada · 20-07-2013, 12:49

There are certain situations where you may get a stronger repair these days using this to secure a metal plate to the existing rotten chassis. Hard to reach areas are a perfect example. I've welded rotten cars for a few years now and prefer to build up a seam weld from many spot welds so for all intents and purposes it is NOT a seam weld! With the bonding agent at least you get 100% joining on the repair area. The wheelarches in the engine bay are an example here which are prone to corroding out and very hard to access with a welder.

If you're concerned about a tester not passing a 'welded' repair on spot rather than seam welds, then seam sealer is a great thing.

Seriously though, it waterproofs the weld area as weld as strengthening a poor weld if that's what you've ended up with, as this stuff is very tough when cured.

With regards to muddy/dirty vehicles you're lucky you didn't end up with a refusal to test!

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puddle hoppers inc. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: west midlands Vehicle: terrano se 2.7 Posts: 1,041	bad news bud!

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puddle hoppers inc. Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: west midlands Vehicle: terrano se 2.7 Posts: 1,041	yep, could be worse... just chuck more waxoil on aqfter welding chap

20-07-2013, 00:15	#24
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Oh yes, big time. My son's an apprentice spanner monkey and is learning the ropes on the MOT side of things too. The MOT inspector saw my Trol one day after laning and it was caked in mud. He said you bugger better not be in for MOT as his shaker plates will cause many tons of mud to rain down on him with great vengance He said if I had brought in like that there's nothing he can do to see what's behind it all A plan formed PDQ I can tell you Other problems now with seam welding , or lack of it. The garage does a lot of classic car work. Old panels replaced can't be spot welded (although they came out the factory that way), so the concours guys are now seam glueing the panels on and then putting spot welds on for authenticity . Now how the hell can he check it's glued too ? It's nuts.

20-07-2013, 12:49	#25
Kishada Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: West Lothian, Scotland Vehicle: Terrano II Posts: 249	There are certain situations where you may get a stronger repair these days using this to secure a metal plate to the existing rotten chassis. Hard to reach areas are a perfect example. I've welded rotten cars for a few years now and prefer to build up a seam weld from many spot welds so for all intents and purposes it is NOT a seam weld! With the bonding agent at least you get 100% joining on the repair area. The wheelarches in the engine bay are an example here which are prone to corroding out and very hard to access with a welder. If you're concerned about a tester not passing a 'welded' repair on spot rather than seam welds, then seam sealer is a great thing. Seriously though, it waterproofs the weld area as weld as strengthening a poor weld if that's what you've ended up with, as this stuff is very tough when cured. With regards to muddy/dirty vehicles you're lucky you didn't end up with a refusal to test!