mothers banned for being british - Page 2

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 13:48

Sedger, I htink another point worth mentioning is the interpretaion of he rules by the staff, and the interpretation of why these women were excluded, the may themselves have got the wrong end of the stick.

I was merely explaining the difference between nationality and race.

Interesting that the phrase 'reverse rascism' has cropped up, and it is basically nonsense, rascism is racism, regardless of the race of those who are the antagonists or protagonists there is no 'reverse' about it. If a white man is refused a job becasue he is whit by a black employer that is racism. No reverse at all - just the same.

This story does seem a complete mess, with no qualification of the various terms used or real evidence. Yes i agree, on further reading it does seem just another atempt to rev up the right wing activists to action. And all that they do is make a bad situation worse!

It reminds me of a recent case the EDL banged on about, a church being turned into a Mosque. Outrage! they cried, 'let's hold a demo'- truth is if you want to stop churches closing (and the islamification of Britain) just go to your local church: regularly! and put your loose change in the plate. That's the only thing they need and the only thing that will work.

I don't feel threatened if a group of people want to associate with people of their own culture, do their own thing, speak their own language, without having to constantly concern themselves with wether or not they are doing the right thing. As white British people you get to do that all the time and take it for granted, so for me if a group of Hindu women (or any others for that matter) want to start a group for Hindu mothers and babys what would be the harm? Answer - none at all!

Sedger · 20-01-2011, 14:21

.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.

Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......

Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sedger

.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.

Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......

Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

you are right though, the government, and euro government are responsible for most of these issue. Thats why they dont step in and stop people trying to blame each other, immigrants, students, etc. it lets them off the hook and while we are squabbling amongst orselves they are busy putting the price of diesel up

lacroupade · 20-01-2011, 14:31

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Originally Posted by Sedger

.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.

Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......

Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

PLANK I used the term 'reverse racism' deliberately (although unconsciously!) because its unusual to see racism laws applied much in that context...personally I think if its good for one section of society then it should be good for all!

@Sedger....totally agree. I had a right pop a while ago at some w*nkers on Facebook who started a group suggesting that the way to fix the National Debt was just to 'give' it to the middle classes (yes in case you hadn't guessed the perps were a bunch of benefit wasters).

They claimed that 1 in 10 people in the UK (i.e. six million people

) had at least £4million of assets (the fact that there are only around 247,000 millionaires in the UK apparently went over their tiny heads) and that because of some hitherto unknown economic quirk they wouldn't actually have to repay it...just 'own' it...

But I said to them at the time, if you want to target anyone, target the bankers. Then just a couple of months later where are we? Major mortgage famine, yet the leeches working at Goldman Sachs are about to divvy out a bonus pot of £8Bn or so.....and the UK high street banks not all that far behind.....screw the lot of 'em I say!

4wheel · 20-01-2011, 14:53

Question. How the hell can you integrate if you are only allowed to socialise with foreigeners ?

20-01-2011, 15:28

if therein our country they should conform to our ways they do not want to live like us just take over that is the muslims religous duty the nazis went about it wrong lol

tezzer · 20-01-2011, 17:49

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Originally Posted by jace

if therein our country they should conform to our ways they do not want to live like us just take over that is the muslims religous duty the nazis went about it wrong lol

spot on jace, australia wont have them unless they comform australian way of life, as they say in OZ "if you dont like it get out" it's a pity our government dont do the same.

20-01-2011, 17:55

ive seen those ausie port authority guys on the telly no messin about this countrys gone far to pc but slyly all our rights have been taken away by blair and co teror laws to spy on people to make sure there kids go to right school etc

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 19:00

how did we get to slaggin off muslims?

don't get me wrong there is good and bad in every culture, just today i have had to get invlved with a group of young islamic thugs using their faith and ethnicity as a shield and an excuse to bully people.

but i also met (for the second time) a nice young islamic doctor, and had an email from a friend who is also a muslim and a brilitant teacher who, personaly tutors kids who are struggling, in his spare time - FOR FREE!

When Brits move abroad they don't have to integrate, there are whole communities of 'ex-pats' and look at how we changed nations like Australia, did we integrate with the Aborigonal people? no we mass murdered them. Ditto for the USA.

And what about all the Brits living abroad today? I have a family member who has made a lot of money manufacturing in china and Roumania, why? because it was cheaper than paying British wages - and he sent all the goods to shops pver here. So he has essentialy taken millions from the inland revenue by his descision to move production elsewhere. It's all swings and roundabouts! Some peple come here from abroad and take, and others come and give!

We have heard some valid points here, regarding our contriy's present problems - and those that put the blame where it's due, at the feet of greedy bankers etc. and the politicians who let them get away with it, even bail them out at our exspense.

as i said if you want to stop the spread of Islam, support you local church, go to a service once a week and put some cash on the plate. If not, don't moan when they are all closed down and turned into mosques by people who can be bothered to get up and go

20-01-2011, 19:58

muslim dr mmm airports spring to mind lol religion of any kind is a bad idea none of it is proveable so should not be taught in schools the reason guest house ruling seems to me to rule faith schools ilegal but i think they got special exception.
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(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 20:10

again, what have Muslims to do with this nursery?

20-01-2011, 20:22

muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jace

muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol

lol, it certainly is, and if you'd seen some of the behaviour from young muslims that i have seen this week it's hard to balme people for feeling that way.

But, scapegoating people wont solve the contries problems, as i said it's a religeon that people percieve as 'taing over' the way to prevent this would be for everyone who is concerened to support their local church. But it aint gonna happen, i know i don't want to go to church, don't see why anyone would, so we only have ourselves to blame!

20-01-2011, 20:36

ban all religion its the cause of most wars/disputes (ni,gaza,israel etc)

(RIP) PLANK · 20-01-2011, 20:42

or start a new peacfull one, if i was going to have a faith, it would proabaly be a buddist, you don't see many of them casuing trouble do you?

20-01-2011, 14:21	#17
Sedger Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: South Vehicle: 1999 PATROL Y61 2.8 SWB Posts: 135	Lacouprade's right.. .... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share. Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad...... Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

20-01-2011, 14:53	#20
4wheel Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wiltshire Vehicle: Terrano 11 2.7Tdi SWB Posts: 240	What next ! Question. How the hell can you integrate if you are only allowed to socialise with foreigeners ?

20-01-2011, 13:48	#16
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	Sedger, I htink another point worth mentioning is the interpretaion of he rules by the staff, and the interpretation of why these women were excluded, the may themselves have got the wrong end of the stick. I was merely explaining the difference between nationality and race. Interesting that the phrase 'reverse rascism' has cropped up, and it is basically nonsense, rascism is racism, regardless of the race of those who are the antagonists or protagonists there is no 'reverse' about it. If a white man is refused a job becasue he is whit by a black employer that is racism. No reverse at all - just the same. This story does seem a complete mess, with no qualification of the various terms used or real evidence. Yes i agree, on further reading it does seem just another atempt to rev up the right wing activists to action. And all that they do is make a bad situation worse! It reminds me of a recent case the EDL banged on about, a church being turned into a Mosque. Outrage! they cried, 'let's hold a demo'- truth is if you want to stop churches closing (and the islamification of Britain) just go to your local church: regularly! and put your loose change in the plate. That's the only thing they need and the only thing that will work. I don't feel threatened if a group of people want to associate with people of their own culture, do their own thing, speak their own language, without having to constantly concern themselves with wether or not they are doing the right thing. As white British people you get to do that all the time and take it for granted, so for me if a group of Hindu women (or any others for that matter) want to start a group for Hindu mothers and babys what would be the harm? Answer - none at all!

20-01-2011, 15:28	#21
jace Guest Posts: n/a	if therein our country they should conform to our ways they do not want to live like us just take over that is the muslims religous duty the nazis went about it wrong lol

20-01-2011, 17:55	#23
jace Guest Posts: n/a	ive seen those ausie port authority guys on the telly no messin about this countrys gone far to pc but slyly all our rights have been taken away by blair and co teror laws to spy on people to make sure there kids go to right school etc

20-01-2011, 19:00	#24
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	how did we get to slaggin off muslims? don't get me wrong there is good and bad in every culture, just today i have had to get invlved with a group of young islamic thugs using their faith and ethnicity as a shield and an excuse to bully people. but i also met (for the second time) a nice young islamic doctor, and had an email from a friend who is also a muslim and a brilitant teacher who, personaly tutors kids who are struggling, in his spare time - FOR FREE! When Brits move abroad they don't have to integrate, there are whole communities of 'ex-pats' and look at how we changed nations like Australia, did we integrate with the Aborigonal people? no we mass murdered them. Ditto for the USA. And what about all the Brits living abroad today? I have a family member who has made a lot of money manufacturing in china and Roumania, why? because it was cheaper than paying British wages - and he sent all the goods to shops pver here. So he has essentialy taken millions from the inland revenue by his descision to move production elsewhere. It's all swings and roundabouts! Some peple come here from abroad and take, and others come and give! We have heard some valid points here, regarding our contriy's present problems - and those that put the blame where it's due, at the feet of greedy bankers etc. and the politicians who let them get away with it, even bail them out at our exspense. as i said if you want to stop the spread of Islam, support you local church, go to a service once a week and put some cash on the plate. If not, don't moan when they are all closed down and turned into mosques by people who can be bothered to get up and go

20-01-2011, 19:58	#25
jace Guest Posts: n/a	muslim dr mmm airports spring to mind lol religion of any kind is a bad idea none of it is proveable so should not be taught in schools the reason guest house ruling seems to me to rule faith schools ilegal but i think they got special exception. http://www.facebook.com/#!/PatCondell

20-01-2011, 20:10	#26
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	again, what have Muslims to do with this nursery?

20-01-2011, 20:22	#27
jace Guest Posts: n/a	muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol

20-01-2011, 20:36	#29
jace Guest Posts: n/a	ban all religion its the cause of most wars/disputes (ni,gaza,israel etc)

20-01-2011, 20:42	#30
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	or start a new peacfull one, if i was going to have a faith, it would proabaly be a buddist, you don't see many of them casuing trouble do you?