3 Points!!!!!

jims-terrano · 13-01-2014, 23:44

Well looks like I've managed to pick up 3 points at a set of traffic lights.

Was waiting at a set of lights to turn right, in the middle of the junction. A bout 6 or so cars coming in other direction and then a bus a little hesitant and at that point I was aware lights changing with me stuck in middle of junction. Anyway once bus had stopped I set off to turn right as you do and flash flash from the camera. Also a car came flying down nearside of me and he got same treatment.

Though I know I was sat there at green waiting for road to clear to let me turn right I know full well a photo will just show me jumping the lights. I'm well fecked off

Sweety · 13-01-2014, 23:56

You might be ok, if they send a letter out just explain it to them they might understand because if you hadn't of moved you would have blocked the road up

jims-terrano · 14-01-2014, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Sweety

You might be ok, if they send a letter out just explain it to them they might understand because if you hadn't of moved you would have blocked the road up

First thing Mrs said was we'll contest it but I don't have as much confidence. Thing is I'd been sat there a minute or so waiting for the over carriageway to clear so I know that I wasn't jumping the lights which is the thing that gets to me the most.

Lazy-Ferret · 14-01-2014, 00:14

I doubt you will hear a thing, the camera works on a car crossing the sensor strip which is a the solid stop line, and as you were already passed that, you could not have set it off.. The reason it takes 2 pictures is to see how fast he was going, by how far he travelled between the two pictures, so unless you went for a 0-60 in 2 seconds, you should be fine, as they allow for cars turning right.

davenclaire · 14-01-2014, 00:16

the other car set off the camera if you were forward of the stop line and stationary then you cant set it off.

AlexD333 · 14-01-2014, 07:13

Let me get this right, had you actually already crossed the line? (On a green light) Or did light go red then you crossed the line? If you were already in the center/box junction your fine as you are allowed to sit in a box junction if turning right (with a clear exit)

If you have already crossed your line you are allowed to finish your manouvere, thus the amber on traffic lights means, Proceed if clear to do so (i e if you've moved out of the area)

If you moved over your line once light was already red that could be interesting though

briggie · 14-01-2014, 08:36

the way I understand it is , green light does not mean go , it means proceed IF THE WAY IS CLEAR , could be interesting , good luck jim anyway mate .

rustic · 14-01-2014, 09:52

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Originally Posted by AlexD333

Let me get this right, had you actually already crossed the line? (On a green light) Or did light go red then you crossed the line? If you were already in the center/box junction your fine as you are allowed to sit in a box junction if turning right (with a clear exit)

If you have already crossed your line you are allowed to finish your manouvere, thus the amber on traffic lights means, Proceed if clear to do so (i e if you've moved out of the area)

If you moved over your line once light was already red that could be interesting though

I agree with the logic of this one. If you had crossed the line on green, you should be fine.
The two camera flashes will clearly show that you were stationary at the time.

I hope the other car that caused it to flash shows his speed via the distance travelled between the two flashes.

If on the off chance you get a ticket, unlikely, then ask for the photograph that shows the other vehicle. Keep a note of the time and date, and if you can remember any minor detail of the other vehicle, make a note now.

If you happen to be in the AA or similar, they have a legal department.

To me, you have met all the requirements to legally continue your journey.

Rustic

jims-terrano · 15-01-2014, 00:17

Well cheers guys, I know I'm in the right but I do doubt myself.

I came to the lights and they were green so I proceeded through and pulled over to the right and came to a stop to wait for the other carriageway to clear. About 6 cars went through in other direction with a bus following them but he stopped. Around that time I was aware lights were changing. Once the bus had stopped I moved off to continue my right turn and it was then when I noticed the first two flashes. Then a car flew down the left of me and he got what I thought were two flashes too. The white line is quite far back as there is a pedestrian crossing point there. So I know I had crossed the white line at green and got into the centre of the junction and pulled up.

Apparently the authorities have two weeks to send me a ticket if they are going to do so.

davenclaire · 15-01-2014, 11:19

honestly your fine im a driving instructor you did nothing wrong as i said the other car set off the camera

AlexD333 · 15-01-2014, 22:17

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Originally Posted by davenclaire

honestly your fine im a driving instructor you did nothing wrong as i said the other car set off the camera

Yeah you are definately fine, the manouvere was already made, also you could put the shoe on the other foot and think of an alternative decision?..

Remain in the middle of a busy junction.... No

Reverse into the car behind.... No

You did the right thing. Prob just a camera with a sensor

13-01-2014, 23:44	#1
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	3 Points!!!!! Well looks like I've managed to pick up 3 points at a set of traffic lights. Was waiting at a set of lights to turn right, in the middle of the junction. A bout 6 or so cars coming in other direction and then a bus a little hesitant and at that point I was aware lights changing with me stuck in middle of junction. Anyway once bus had stopped I set off to turn right as you do and flash flash from the camera. Also a car came flying down nearside of me and he got same treatment. Though I know I was sat there at green waiting for road to clear to let me turn right I know full well a photo will just show me jumping the lights. I'm well fecked off

13-01-2014, 23:56	#2
Sweety Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Northumberland Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDI SE LWB Posts: 3,604	You might be ok, if they send a letter out just explain it to them they might understand because if you hadn't of moved you would have blocked the road up

14-01-2014, 00:14	#4
Lazy-Ferret Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sevenoaks, Kent Vehicle: Terrano 2.7TDi SE Touring Posts: 5,221	I doubt you will hear a thing, the camera works on a car crossing the sensor strip which is a the solid stop line, and as you were already passed that, you could not have set it off.. The reason it takes 2 pictures is to see how fast he was going, by how far he travelled between the two pictures, so unless you went for a 0-60 in 2 seconds, you should be fine, as they allow for cars turning right.

14-01-2014, 00:16	#5
davenclaire Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: south east Vehicle: terrano 2 lwb Posts: 816	the other car set off the camera if you were forward of the stop line and stationary then you cant set it off.

14-01-2014, 07:13	#6
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Let me get this right, had you actually already crossed the line? (On a green light) Or did light go red then you crossed the line? If you were already in the center/box junction your fine as you are allowed to sit in a box junction if turning right (with a clear exit) If you have already crossed your line you are allowed to finish your manouvere, thus the amber on traffic lights means, Proceed if clear to do so (i e if you've moved out of the area) If you moved over your line once light was already red that could be interesting though

14-01-2014, 08:36	#7
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	the way I understand it is , green light does not mean go , it means proceed IF THE WAY IS CLEAR , could be interesting , good luck jim anyway mate .

15-01-2014, 00:17	#9
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	Well cheers guys, I know I'm in the right but I do doubt myself. I came to the lights and they were green so I proceeded through and pulled over to the right and came to a stop to wait for the other carriageway to clear. About 6 cars went through in other direction with a bus following them but he stopped. Around that time I was aware lights were changing. Once the bus had stopped I moved off to continue my right turn and it was then when I noticed the first two flashes. Then a car flew down the left of me and he got what I thought were two flashes too. The white line is quite far back as there is a pedestrian crossing point there. So I know I had crossed the white line at green and got into the centre of the junction and pulled up. Apparently the authorities have two weeks to send me a ticket if they are going to do so.

15-01-2014, 11:19	#10
davenclaire Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: south east Vehicle: terrano 2 lwb Posts: 816	honestly your fine im a driving instructor you did nothing wrong as i said the other car set off the camera