reasons to not drive a 4x4

briggie · 29-04-2012, 21:44

by the anti 4x4 brigade

http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/reasons.htm

stinka · 29-04-2012, 21:49

fkn ridiculous, the EU will probably ban them soon anyway

Fez_uk · 29-04-2012, 21:49

haha some of those issues are funny.

Climate change? Oh yeah because I drive a slightly more polluting vehicle compared to a normal car I have ruined this earth.

or it's likely it's our lifestyles, Factories, Jets, Bla bla bla

"as an extra bonus, other drivers might occasionally let you pull out ahead of them."

Thats not a problem I just "assume" they let me out and barge my way in front of them

stinka · 29-04-2012, 21:51

climate change is a myth anyway, utter bollox.

SPARKIEDOO · 29-04-2012, 22:08

its my life......i will do & drive what F*CK i want

bunch of TWATS

solarman216 · 29-04-2012, 22:09

I said that years ago when it was first muted, Rick (re climate change that is)

briggie · 29-04-2012, 22:26

its quite funny if you read the rest of the site

glanrichbex · 29-04-2012, 22:38

And how am I supposed to comply with towing regulations

- I have a boat on a rated 750Kg unbraked trailer. How many family cars can legally tow that?

I have diving gear in the boot. I carry loads of club kit around - I sometimes have my kids in the back seats as well and towing a 750KG trailer.

Can I make do with a family car - I don't think so !!

briggie · 29-04-2012, 22:40

For every criteria used to vilify 4x4s a good many (often the majority) of 4x4s don't feature in the 'worst'. The anti-4x4 brigade say that 4x4s are too heavy but they don't go after heavy cars - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too thirsty but they don't go after gas guzzlers - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too high but they don't go after tall cars - just 4x4s. It's the same with every excuse for their hatemongering - they conveniently forget that their criticism doesn't actually apply to many or most 4x4s. But, hey, why let something like the truth get in the way of a good hate campaign!

By all means campaign for better pedestrian impact safety - that would be a valid campaign. However, be aware that you'll take out rather a lot of non-4x4s before even getting half of Berry's Bigots' target. Similarly, it would be valid to campaign against gas guzzlers, but you'll take out a lot of non-4x4s before half of 4x4 models would be affected. Some even claim that 4x4s take up too much road space yet most people would be surprised how small a footprint the majority of 4x4s have. My own car (which is often referred to as a 'full-size' 4x4) fits seven seats into a footprint smaller than that of a Ford Focus Estate while the SWB version has a smaller footprint than a Ford Fiesta.

A 4x4 vehicle is simply a vehicle that has 4 wheels where all can be driven. There are 4x4 variants of all types of 4-wheeled vehicles. 4x4s range from lorries (like the Bedford TM) down to the like of the Fiat Panda 4x4. In amongst that lot are cars like the Subaru Legacy, Volvo S60, and many others you might not think of as 4x4s. Also, some cars that you might presume are 4x4s (e.g. Jeep Patriot 4x2 and Nissan X-Trail 2WD) are not and many that are 4x4s actually spend most of their time as 4x2s.

To go after a car purely on the basis of its transmission system while dressing up the campaign of hate with half-baked hype is just crazy. Despite the facts, the anti-4x4 brigade continue to have a go at the object of their obsessive hatred while completely ignoring non-4x4s that are at least as bad and often worse. They obstinately believe that 4x4s are worse than all other cars and are intolerant of those who own 4x4s; and hence are true bigots* and their campaign of social hatred should have no place in decent society.

*From my dictionary: bigot n. obstinate believer who is intolerant of others. bigoted adj. bigotry n. [French]

melissachels · 29-04-2012, 22:59

its coming 2 the end of a bloody ice age!

firebobby · 29-04-2012, 23:08

My car spends 99% of it's life in 2 wheel drive, so that blows that out of the water.
How many doctors surgery's call on 4x4 owner/drivers to help out when the road net work grinds to a halt because of snow/ice.

As Briggie has rightly stated, these are bigots who think they they are saving the planet because they ride bicycles and don't eat animal parts...well carry on with sad little lives and let the rest of use get on with ours

christof123 · 30-04-2012, 00:29

Bless em, it must be fantastic being perfect even mary poppins couldnt manage that.

firebobby · 30-04-2012, 07:46

And what do we see on the TV this morning...4x4's going through floods (OK, their LR's) but, these vehicles do have a roll in today's world.
I see London has introduced a new system of monitoring pollution, I can see more charges/taxes coming the motorists way then.

Oh, and more safety for cyclists in London, how about teaching some of these idiots how to ride on the road in the first place...um red light means stop

And what do you see our MP's doing, Er...driving bloody Prius's around, god bless Em, their saving the world for when they can retire on nice FAT pensions

Terranical · 30-04-2012, 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by briggie

For every criteria used to vilify 4x4s a good many (often the majority) of 4x4s don't feature in the 'worst'. The anti-4x4 brigade say that 4x4s are too heavy but they don't go after heavy cars - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too thirsty but they don't go after gas guzzlers - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too high but they don't go after tall cars - just 4x4s. It's the same with every excuse for their hatemongering - they conveniently forget that their criticism doesn't actually apply to many or most 4x4s. But, hey, why let something like the truth get in the way of a good hate campaign!

By all means campaign for better pedestrian impact safety - that would be a valid campaign. However, be aware that you'll take out rather a lot of non-4x4s before even getting half of Berry's Bigots' target. Similarly, it would be valid to campaign against gas guzzlers, but you'll take out a lot of non-4x4s before half of 4x4 models would be affected. Some even claim that 4x4s take up too much road space yet most people would be surprised how small a footprint the majority of 4x4s have. My own car (which is often referred to as a 'full-size' 4x4) fits seven seats into a footprint smaller than that of a Ford Focus Estate while the SWB version has a smaller footprint than a Ford Fiesta.

A 4x4 vehicle is simply a vehicle that has 4 wheels where all can be driven. There are 4x4 variants of all types of 4-wheeled vehicles. 4x4s range from lorries (like the Bedford TM) down to the like of the Fiat Panda 4x4. In amongst that lot are cars like the Subaru Legacy, Volvo S60, and many others you might not think of as 4x4s. Also, some cars that you might presume are 4x4s (e.g. Jeep Patriot 4x2 and Nissan X-Trail 2WD) are not and many that are 4x4s actually spend most of their time as 4x2s.

To go after a car purely on the basis of its transmission system while dressing up the campaign of hate with half-baked hype is just crazy. Despite the facts, the anti-4x4 brigade continue to have a go at the object of their obsessive hatred while completely ignoring non-4x4s that are at least as bad and often worse. They obstinately believe that 4x4s are worse than all other cars and are intolerant of those who own 4x4s; and hence are true bigots* and their campaign of social hatred should have no place in decent society.

*From my dictionary: bigot n. obstinate believer who is intolerant of others. bigoted adj. bigotry n. [French]

Well said, that man!

Kamsin · 30-04-2012, 08:29

I think we could be missing the point here, (Hold it, im not defending them) but they are aiming the hate at "Urban" 4x4's. You know the Rangerover 4.4 that only ever goes off road to park on the pavment to drop the kids at school. The old bloke that is so afraid of other road uses he need the biggest car to feel safe, then drives at 20 mph. The list goes on!
It points out that if you dont need one, dont get one. Its like me buying a 44ton artic unit just to use as a private vehicle, it would make no sence (However in this country i have the freedom to buy and drive what ever i wish) We use our 4x4's, thats why we have them, so in truth thier argument is not aimed at us.
Briggie has some great points on his post that flaws the Anti 4x4 peoples arguments from the start. Its not cos its a 4x4 they are moaning, its because its big and they dont like it. They would be happy if we all swapped to a Prias or Fiat 100's. What they fail to say is most 4x4's are diesel and around 2.5lt and can run on SVO, now when you flip the coin, all of your top end cars like BMW, Merc's and Jag's for example are petrol and start at 2.0lt and go up top 5lt in some case's, so it would make more sence to hate them!

(Ps, my BMW is only a 2lt and its diesel)

29-04-2012, 21:44	#1
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	reasons to not drive a 4x4 by the anti 4x4 brigade http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/reasons.htm

29-04-2012, 21:49	#2
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	fkn ridiculous, the EU will probably ban them soon anyway

29-04-2012, 21:49	#3
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	haha some of those issues are funny. Climate change? Oh yeah because I drive a slightly more polluting vehicle compared to a normal car I have ruined this earth. or it's likely it's our lifestyles, Factories, Jets, Bla bla bla "as an extra bonus, other drivers might occasionally let you pull out ahead of them." Thats not a problem I just "assume" they let me out and barge my way in front of them

29-04-2012, 21:51	#4
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	climate change is a myth anyway, utter bollox.

29-04-2012, 22:08	#5
SPARKIEDOO Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: cupar scotland Vehicle: terrano II SWB 2.7 (2002) Posts: 431	its my life......i will do & drive what F*CK i want bunch of TWATS

29-04-2012, 22:09	#6
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	I said that years ago when it was first muted, Rick (re climate change that is)

29-04-2012, 22:26	#7
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	its quite funny if you read the rest of the site

29-04-2012, 22:38	#8
glanrichbex Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: wales Vehicle: Terrano R20/D4 Posts: 442	And how am I supposed to comply with towing regulations - I have a boat on a rated 750Kg unbraked trailer. How many family cars can legally tow that? I have diving gear in the boot. I carry loads of club kit around - I sometimes have my kids in the back seats as well and towing a 750KG trailer. Can I make do with a family car - I don't think so !!

29-04-2012, 22:40	#9
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	For every criteria used to vilify 4x4s a good many (often the majority) of 4x4s don't feature in the 'worst'. The anti-4x4 brigade say that 4x4s are too heavy but they don't go after heavy cars - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too thirsty but they don't go after gas guzzlers - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too high but they don't go after tall cars - just 4x4s. It's the same with every excuse for their hatemongering - they conveniently forget that their criticism doesn't actually apply to many or most 4x4s. But, hey, why let something like the truth get in the way of a good hate campaign! By all means campaign for better pedestrian impact safety - that would be a valid campaign. However, be aware that you'll take out rather a lot of non-4x4s before even getting half of Berry's Bigots' target. Similarly, it would be valid to campaign against gas guzzlers, but you'll take out a lot of non-4x4s before half of 4x4 models would be affected. Some even claim that 4x4s take up too much road space yet most people would be surprised how small a footprint the majority of 4x4s have. My own car (which is often referred to as a 'full-size' 4x4) fits seven seats into a footprint smaller than that of a Ford Focus Estate while the SWB version has a smaller footprint than a Ford Fiesta. A 4x4 vehicle is simply a vehicle that has 4 wheels where all can be driven. There are 4x4 variants of all types of 4-wheeled vehicles. 4x4s range from lorries (like the Bedford TM) down to the like of the Fiat Panda 4x4. In amongst that lot are cars like the Subaru Legacy, Volvo S60, and many others you might not think of as 4x4s. Also, some cars that you might presume are 4x4s (e.g. Jeep Patriot 4x2 and Nissan X-Trail 2WD) are not and many that are 4x4s actually spend most of their time as 4x2s. To go after a car purely on the basis of its transmission system while dressing up the campaign of hate with half-baked hype is just crazy. Despite the facts, the anti-4x4 brigade continue to have a go at the object of their obsessive hatred while completely ignoring non-4x4s that are at least as bad and often worse. They obstinately believe that 4x4s are worse than all other cars and are intolerant of those who own 4x4s; and hence are true bigots* and their campaign of social hatred should have no place in decent society. *From my dictionary: bigot n. obstinate believer who is intolerant of others. bigoted adj. bigotry n. [French]

29-04-2012, 22:59	#10
melissachels Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Near Armagh, Northern Ireland Vehicle: half of a T2 2.7td swb Posts: 1,216	its coming 2 the end of a bloody ice age!

29-04-2012, 23:08	#11
firebobby Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South Bucks Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2005 Posts: 3,499	My car spends 99% of it's life in 2 wheel drive, so that blows that out of the water. How many doctors surgery's call on 4x4 owner/drivers to help out when the road net work grinds to a halt because of snow/ice. As Briggie has rightly stated, these are bigots who think they they are saving the planet because they ride bicycles and don't eat animal parts...well carry on with sad little lives and let the rest of use get on with ours

30-04-2012, 00:29	#12
christof123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: cleveland Vehicle: terrano 2.7tdi lwb 2002 Posts: 185	Bless em, it must be fantastic being perfect even mary poppins couldnt manage that.

30-04-2012, 07:46	#13
firebobby Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South Bucks Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2005 Posts: 3,499	And what do we see on the TV this morning...4x4's going through floods (OK, their LR's) but, these vehicles do have a roll in today's world. I see London has introduced a new system of monitoring pollution, I can see more charges/taxes coming the motorists way then. Oh, and more safety for cyclists in London, how about teaching some of these idiots how to ride on the road in the first place...um red light means stop And what do you see our MP's doing, Er...driving bloody Prius's around, god bless Em, their saving the world for when they can retire on nice FAT pensions

30-04-2012, 08:29	#15
Kamsin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: East Midlands Vehicle: Maverick 4x4 2.7 TDI 97 Posts: 1,211	I think we could be missing the point here, (Hold it, im not defending them) but they are aiming the hate at "Urban" 4x4's. You know the Rangerover 4.4 that only ever goes off road to park on the pavment to drop the kids at school. The old bloke that is so afraid of other road uses he need the biggest car to feel safe, then drives at 20 mph. The list goes on! It points out that if you dont need one, dont get one. Its like me buying a 44ton artic unit just to use as a private vehicle, it would make no sence (However in this country i have the freedom to buy and drive what ever i wish) We use our 4x4's, thats why we have them, so in truth thier argument is not aimed at us. Briggie has some great points on his post that flaws the Anti 4x4 peoples arguments from the start. Its not cos its a 4x4 they are moaning, its because its big and they dont like it. They would be happy if we all swapped to a Prias or Fiat 100's. What they fail to say is most 4x4's are diesel and around 2.5lt and can run on SVO, now when you flip the coin, all of your top end cars like BMW, Merc's and Jag's for example are petrol and start at 2.0lt and go up top 5lt in some case's, so it would make more sence to hate them! (Ps, my BMW is only a 2lt and its diesel)