electric question

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 12:41

anyone know where i can get some anderson plugs and sockets

i wish to put a plug on the front and one on the rear

i want to run jump leads of it or a winch

so its got to be the big stuff

bit like mr rac has on his truck

i know ill get a flurry of ebay responses , so if its ebay please let me know what size i need . maybe an item number too

Terranosaurus · 11-06-2009, 12:44

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.e....php#powerconn

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 12:52

what size do i need terra... also what size cable do i run to it

thanks

Terranosaurus · 11-06-2009, 13:03

What are you attahing to it and what is the spec of said device?

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 13:24

hmmm,
jump leads , winch superwinch x3 portable , winch 12000 lb fixed winch.

also want to mount second battery and alternator what size 2nd alternator am i looking for

all this will be a separate system not messing with standard set up... that way it wont kill the car if it goes wrong

Terranosaurus · 11-06-2009, 13:50

12000lb winch will be highest rated f that lot but you need to know the power of the motor not the pull force.

6hp motor will draw around 380amp - to give you some idea. I'd hard wire the big winch and use anderson plugs for the other stuff, but again you need to know the spec of the winch motor.

2nd alternators totally up to you really - I've got a 150 amp one to go instead of the std one, don't see point in fitting 2. But have 2nd battery with all auxillaries running off that with a 180amp split charge connecting them or not as i require.

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 14:53

will a split charge give me a system that wont corrupt the trucks power if i get problems. it would be a lot less work that way. but just dont want to be stuck with no power.

the x3 is possibly 2 hp motor

what id like is
a system i can run on my truck without problems
where i can jump start/ power up other trucks
and have the ability to be powered up by another truck

rather than dragging batteries about in the mud

i dont mind having the fixed winch hard wired i just wanted to be able to disable it and a plug is as good as any. then i can just plug into the socket when winch not in use
i beleive the fixed winch was a 4.5hp motor but id have to check

Terranosaurus · 11-06-2009, 15:45

With any winch its a good idea to fit a cut out so that you can disable it in a hurry if anything goes wrong, also it means you can disable it from fiddling fingers too.

Yes a split charge, if fitted with an over ride switch will enable you to isolate the primary battery and alternator etc so that you don't run the risk of leaving yourself un able to start. With mine I can run all the lights, all told its wired for 1560watts without the engine running and not flatten the starting battery or I can run say my in car PC and Ham radio all day ling parkes up etc and simiarly not flatten the battery. With a winch you might want to wnch through really deep water wiith the engine off (if you haven't got a snorkel) but still ant to restart at the other side. With an over ride you can connect or disconect the 2 batteries at will or allow the system to decide (ie when primary battery voltage reaches prest value).

For the small winch you should be ok with 185amp connectors (2hp - 127amp) and they should also be ok for jump leads too as that is a continous rating and a jump start should only need a quick burst of high current.

People use andeson plugs on defenders etc cos you can't get at the battery, on ours you can, don't see whats wrong with just a decent set of leads. Sure fot the demountable winch you'll need a connector, you'll also need an isolator too - imagine what would happen if something got jammed in the end of the connector.

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

With any winch its a good idea to fit a cut out so that you can disable it in a hurry if anything goes wrong, also it means you can disable it from fiddling fingers too.

Yes a split charge, if fitted with an over ride switch will enable you to isolate the primary battery and alternator etc so that you don't run the risk of leaving yourself un able to start. With mine I can run all the lights, all told its wired for 1560watts without the engine running and not flatten the starting battery or I can run say my in car PC and Ham radio all day ling parkes up etc and simiarly not flatten the battery. With a winch you might want to wnch through really deep water wiith the engine off (if you haven't got a snorkel) but still ant to restart at the other side. With an over ride you can connect or disconect the 2 batteries at will or allow the system to decide (ie when primary battery voltage reaches prest value).

For the small winch you should be ok with 185amp connectors (2hp - 127amp) and they should also be ok for jump leads too as that is a continous rating and a jump start should only need a quick burst of high current.

People use andeson plugs on defenders etc cos you can't get at the battery, on ours you can, don't see whats wrong with just a decent set of leads. Sure fot the demountable winch you'll need a connector, you'll also need an isolator too - imagine what would happen if something got jammed in the end of the connector.

thats pretty much the point of it really.... i need something good for the portable winch, so i might as well do it to take jump leads too maybe some emergancy lighting too. while im sorting it i might as well do it for all occasions .

so just a big earth isolator then ??

Terranosaurus · 11-06-2009, 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

thats pretty much the point of it really.... i need something good for the portable winch, so i might as well do it to take jump leads too maybe some emergancy lighting too. while im sorting it i might as well do it for all occasions .

so just a big earth isolator then ??

No isolate on the live side. Its not isolated really otherwise.

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 17:19

cool ill look into it all then ... thanks terra

makeitfit · 11-06-2009, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

12000lb winch will be highest rated f that lot but you need to know the power of the motor not the pull force.

6hp motor will draw around 380amp - to give you some idea. I'd hard wire the big winch and use anderson plugs for the other stuff, but again you need to know the spec of the winch motor.

2nd alternators totally up to you really - I've got a 150 amp one to go instead of the std one, don't see point in fitting 2. But have 2nd battery with all auxillaries running off that with a 180amp split charge connecting them or not as i require.

So where do you get a 150 amp alternator from please?

ocelot · 11-06-2009, 23:05

you can get some cracking switches for boats to switch between battery banks, two or three way.
the split charge unit is simply a large diode on a heatsink, you can make one for about £25 if you get a 100A diode from RS components or Farnell........

extreme-4x4 · 11-06-2009, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeitfit

So where do you get a 150 amp alternator from please?

breakers.... some bmw's use em id guess others do too

lacroupade · 11-06-2009, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

breakers.... some bmw's use em id guess others do too

heyyyyy, that'll be me then

11-06-2009, 12:41	#1
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	electric question anyone know where i can get some anderson plugs and sockets i wish to put a plug on the front and one on the rear i want to run jump leads of it or a winch so its got to be the big stuff bit like mr rac has on his truck i know ill get a flurry of ebay responses , so if its ebay please let me know what size i need . maybe an item number too

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11-06-2009, 12:44	#2
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.e....php#powerconn

11-06-2009, 12:52	#3
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	what size do i need terra... also what size cable do i run to it thanks

11-06-2009, 13:03	#4
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	What are you attahing to it and what is the spec of said device?

11-06-2009, 13:24	#5
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	hmmm, jump leads , winch superwinch x3 portable , winch 12000 lb fixed winch. also want to mount second battery and alternator what size 2nd alternator am i looking for all this will be a separate system not messing with standard set up... that way it wont kill the car if it goes wrong

11-06-2009, 13:50	#6
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	12000lb winch will be highest rated f that lot but you need to know the power of the motor not the pull force. 6hp motor will draw around 380amp - to give you some idea. I'd hard wire the big winch and use anderson plugs for the other stuff, but again you need to know the spec of the winch motor. 2nd alternators totally up to you really - I've got a 150 amp one to go instead of the std one, don't see point in fitting 2. But have 2nd battery with all auxillaries running off that with a 180amp split charge connecting them or not as i require.

11-06-2009, 14:53	#7
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	will a split charge give me a system that wont corrupt the trucks power if i get problems. it would be a lot less work that way. but just dont want to be stuck with no power. the x3 is possibly 2 hp motor what id like is a system i can run on my truck without problems where i can jump start/ power up other trucks and have the ability to be powered up by another truck rather than dragging batteries about in the mud i dont mind having the fixed winch hard wired i just wanted to be able to disable it and a plug is as good as any. then i can just plug into the socket when winch not in use i beleive the fixed winch was a 4.5hp motor but id have to check

11-06-2009, 15:45	#8
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	With any winch its a good idea to fit a cut out so that you can disable it in a hurry if anything goes wrong, also it means you can disable it from fiddling fingers too. Yes a split charge, if fitted with an over ride switch will enable you to isolate the primary battery and alternator etc so that you don't run the risk of leaving yourself un able to start. With mine I can run all the lights, all told its wired for 1560watts without the engine running and not flatten the starting battery or I can run say my in car PC and Ham radio all day ling parkes up etc and simiarly not flatten the battery. With a winch you might want to wnch through really deep water wiith the engine off (if you haven't got a snorkel) but still ant to restart at the other side. With an over ride you can connect or disconect the 2 batteries at will or allow the system to decide (ie when primary battery voltage reaches prest value). For the small winch you should be ok with 185amp connectors (2hp - 127amp) and they should also be ok for jump leads too as that is a continous rating and a jump start should only need a quick burst of high current. People use andeson plugs on defenders etc cos you can't get at the battery, on ours you can, don't see whats wrong with just a decent set of leads. Sure fot the demountable winch you'll need a connector, you'll also need an isolator too - imagine what would happen if something got jammed in the end of the connector.

11-06-2009, 17:19	#11
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	cool ill look into it all then ... thanks terra

11-06-2009, 23:05	#13
ocelot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: merseyside Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 2.7 Posts: 242	you can get some cracking switches for boats to switch between battery banks, two or three way. the split charge unit is simply a large diode on a heatsink, you can make one for about £25 if you get a 100A diode from RS components or Farnell........