Towing weight for t2 and 08 navarta.

jimmy92 · 12-05-2009, 22:35

Hi all im looking for the max weight i can tow with my 98t2 lwb and for my 08 navara sport king cab as i do a lot of towing so need to no if im legal and im looking at pulling a trailer with a 2.5 ton fork lift on it. thanks

lacroupade · 12-05-2009, 22:47

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Originally Posted by jimmy92

Hi all im looking for the max weight i can tow with my 98t2 lwb and for my 08 navara sport king cab as i do a lot of towing so need to no if im legal and im looking at pulling a trailer with a 2.5 ton fork lift on it. thanks

T2 manual is 2800 kg from memory.....

theron · 13-05-2009, 10:37

Quick Google gives this:

2.7 TDI manual Terrano is 2800Kg
3.0 manual Terrano is 3000Kg
2.5 2008 Navara is 2600Kg

tezzer · 13-05-2009, 11:13

hi jimmy, it seems you need to be able to tow 3.5 tons, i reckon you need a patrol mate or another 4x4 but i think some of them may be on there limits regards towing, someone will be along to put us right, lol

tezzer

jimmy92 · 13-05-2009, 21:11

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Originally Posted by tezzer

hi jimmy, it seems you need to be able to tow 3.5 tons, i reckon you need a patrol mate or another 4x4 but i think some of them may be on there limits regards towing, someone will be along to put us right, lol

tezzer

Yea so iv realised but iv since discovered the fork lift weights 3.8 on its own never mind the ivor williams tipper trailer aswell. I might have to find a 7.5 tonner.

jimmy92 · 13-05-2009, 21:14

Tezzer dont suppose you are anywhere near chelmsford? this is where the fork lift is at the min. If so do you no of any body that could deliver at a good price?

(RIP) PLANK · 13-05-2009, 22:04

it gets more complicated!

if you use your 'king cab' it is a cimmercial vehicle and you must stay within the 'train weight' stamped on the chassis plate! I think if you excced 3.5 tons train weight it changes the commercial category so 2.5 tone forklift + trailer (guess 500k) + king cab (guess 1800K) = 4800k ? not fogeting any other things you may carry!

would this then need a taccograph fitted to be legal? I thnk it would, but i am sure someone else knows the answer

with a car i dont beleive the train weight rule applies so you would be better off with a large car i.e patrol as suggested but having said that! I dont beleive there is a legal towing limit for your t2 so if it was a little over weight would it matter? it would probably affect your insurance though should any incidents ocurr!

food for thought if nothing else!

jimmy92 · 13-05-2009, 22:10

Fair coment plank. I fetched the t2 lwb that im breaking with the navara/trailer plus my navara weights 2.9ton with the tools and stuff i carry for work so like you say i need to be carefull.

I thought i only needed a tacko if it was work related. But with me paying the tax man to use my nav for personnel use would it class me as not being commercial out of work hrs?

jimmy92 · 13-05-2009, 22:13

Given the choice of towing a good load i would take the t2 as it feels more sturdy but the fuel card for the navara sways me every time.

tezzer · 13-05-2009, 22:30

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Originally Posted by jimmy92

Tezzer dont suppose you are anywhere near chelmsford? this is where the fork lift is at the min. If so do you no of any body that could deliver at a good price?

im in basildon so it's around 18-20 miles from me, but i will phone a mate who knows someone who collects and delivers cars with a transporter, so i'll check with him because of the weight involved, i will pm you when i know more.

tezzer

(RIP) PLANK · 13-05-2009, 22:36

out of work hours it may not be commercial, but you tow a fork lift for fun?

I dont think it matters if it is personal use or not if it is a commercial vehicle the rules apply regardless, i found this out the hard way when overloading a transit van, It was my own vehicle, and I was carrying stuff for my daughters horses so not work related, but overloading a commercial is all the same regardless, so be carefull!

tezzer · 13-05-2009, 22:40

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Originally Posted by jimmy92

Given the choice of towing a good load i would take the t2 as it feels more sturdy but the fuel card for the navara sways me every time.

i dont think your t2 would be able to handle the weight jim, it will push it all over the road, 3.8 tons plus trailer as said 500k plus weight of t2 ? proberly looking at 5 tons plus all up, you would never stop it safely, plus it's illegal to exceed the weight of tow vehicle, there are exceptions i know but not sure what they are. definately a 7.5 tonner to be safe.

tezzer

jimmy92 · 13-05-2009, 22:46

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Originally Posted by tezzer

i dont think your t2 would be able to handle the weight jim, it will push it all over the road, 3.8 tons plus trailer as said 500k plus weight of t2 ? proberly looking at 5 tons plus all up, you would never stop it safely, plus it's illegal to exceed the weight of tow vehicle, there are exceptions i know but not sure what they are. definately a 7.5 tonner to be safe.

tezzer

Yeh as i realise now but wen i bidded on the fork lift it was 2 tonne but now he says its 3.8 so he has done me in a way. o well ill sort something.

jimmy92 · 13-05-2009, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLANK

out of work hours it may not be commercial, but you tow a fork lift for fun?

I dont think it matters if it is personal use or not if it is a commercial vehicle the rules apply regardless, i found this out the hard way when overloading a transit van, It was my own vehicle, and I was carrying stuff for my daughters horses so not work related, but overloading a commercial is all the same regardless, so be carefull!

Im not that sad (well hope not lol).

Fork lift is for my unit that i do my own work and stock cars from.

(RIP) PLANK · 13-05-2009, 22:53

there was a test case on this a nissan dealer towing a car for delivery on a trailer behind a nissan serena people carrier.

policed stopped them looked at the train wheght on the plates on the serena and issued a ticket.

in court the dealer used this defence: the plate and weights displayed reffered to the base van the serena was derived from and the serena was a car not a commercial so the weights didnt apply, as there is no legal train weight for a car. The dealer won and the case was dissmissed!

With a commercial i beleive the train wieght is the combined weight of vehicle trailer and all its loads so if your truck is loaded you can tow less so to get a trailer only figure you would need to subtract the loaded weight of the towing vehicle from the train weight and then you can tow what is left and in most cases, this is not a lot!

12-05-2009, 22:35	#1
jimmy92 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: midlands Vehicle: navara, bmw x5, vito van Posts: 211	Towing weight for t2 and 08 navarta. Hi all im looking for the max weight i can tow with my 98t2 lwb and for my 08 navara sport king cab as i do a lot of towing so need to no if im legal and im looking at pulling a trailer with a 2.5 ton fork lift on it. thanks

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13-05-2009, 10:37	#3
theron Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Midlands Posts: 98	Quick Google gives this: 2.7 TDI manual Terrano is 2800Kg 3.0 manual Terrano is 3000Kg 2.5 2008 Navara is 2600Kg

13-05-2009, 11:13	#4
tezzer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: basildon essex Vehicle: transit camper van 1987 Posts: 2,829	hi jimmy, it seems you need to be able to tow 3.5 tons, i reckon you need a patrol mate or another 4x4 but i think some of them may be on there limits regards towing, someone will be along to put us right, lol tezzer

13-05-2009, 21:14	#6
jimmy92 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: midlands Vehicle: navara, bmw x5, vito van Posts: 211	Tezzer dont suppose you are anywhere near chelmsford? this is where the fork lift is at the min. If so do you no of any body that could deliver at a good price?

13-05-2009, 22:04	#7
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	it gets more complicated! if you use your 'king cab' it is a cimmercial vehicle and you must stay within the 'train weight' stamped on the chassis plate! I think if you excced 3.5 tons train weight it changes the commercial category so 2.5 tone forklift + trailer (guess 500k) + king cab (guess 1800K) = 4800k ? not fogeting any other things you may carry! would this then need a taccograph fitted to be legal? I thnk it would, but i am sure someone else knows the answer with a car i dont beleive the train weight rule applies so you would be better off with a large car i.e patrol as suggested but having said that! I dont beleive there is a legal towing limit for your t2 so if it was a little over weight would it matter? it would probably affect your insurance though should any incidents ocurr! food for thought if nothing else!

13-05-2009, 22:10	#8
jimmy92 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: midlands Vehicle: navara, bmw x5, vito van Posts: 211	Fair coment plank. I fetched the t2 lwb that im breaking with the navara/trailer plus my navara weights 2.9ton with the tools and stuff i carry for work so like you say i need to be carefull. I thought i only needed a tacko if it was work related. But with me paying the tax man to use my nav for personnel use would it class me as not being commercial out of work hrs?

13-05-2009, 22:13	#9
jimmy92 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: midlands Vehicle: navara, bmw x5, vito van Posts: 211	Given the choice of towing a good load i would take the t2 as it feels more sturdy but the fuel card for the navara sways me every time.

13-05-2009, 22:36	#11
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	out of work hours it may not be commercial, but you tow a fork lift for fun? I dont think it matters if it is personal use or not if it is a commercial vehicle the rules apply regardless, i found this out the hard way when overloading a transit van, It was my own vehicle, and I was carrying stuff for my daughters horses so not work related, but overloading a commercial is all the same regardless, so be carefull!

13-05-2009, 22:53	#15
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	there was a test case on this a nissan dealer towing a car for delivery on a trailer behind a nissan serena people carrier. policed stopped them looked at the train wheght on the plates on the serena and issued a ticket. in court the dealer used this defence: the plate and weights displayed reffered to the base van the serena was derived from and the serena was a car not a commercial so the weights didnt apply, as there is no legal train weight for a car. The dealer won and the case was dissmissed! With a commercial i beleive the train wieght is the combined weight of vehicle trailer and all its loads so if your truck is loaded you can tow less so to get a trailer only figure you would need to subtract the loaded weight of the towing vehicle from the train weight and then you can tow what is left and in most cases, this is not a lot!