heartbroken and sorry to you all .....the story

[paulp]

Was the vehicle serviced when the box was done?

If so quickly insure it with the AA parts and labour insurance about £9 per month.

When the (i think) 28 days grace period expires call the AA out they will give a gestimate of the problem take it back to the garage and they pay the first 500 for a repair and you pay the £25 excess

paulp

[Toolbox]

Originally Posted by clivvy

ok, this is the problem also, to remove the head etc and inspect, is gonna cost! One point to note, its not a rattle, its a single, random knock at first, that apparently inreases to a rattle when warm, like the rattle of a loose exhaust. Could this still be internal engine?

Pete, someone needs to ensure that the garage DOES NOT do any work thats going to cost without you or us knowing about it. Can you or perhap Paul speak to them Monday morning? I might not get chance myself as I may be working down in Nottigham...

From what you have said it still could be something like a loose combustion chamber, which is not uncommon to the engine. Worn big or small ends, would not give you a random rattle it would be more or less in time with the engine as would anything in the valve department, big small end wear is also often worse when the engine is pulling. If you get a chance to get another look, get a long screw driver out and stick the handle up to you ear and go around the engine placing the tip against the head block etc with it running to try and identify the area, it should be fairly clear and easy to detect getting louder the closer you become to the problem. To rule out any of the auxiliary equipment steering pump, alternator and water pump run the engine with the drive belts off for a short time.

[Toolbox]

If they serviced it, did they fit the correct oil filter? The td engine has a non return valve inside the filter while the tdi does not.

[clivvy]

Originally Posted by Toolbox

If they serviced it, did they fit the correct oil filter? The td engine has a non return valve inside the filter while the tdi does not.

i dont believe they serviced it.

the mechanic did say he had done the screw driver test, but again hadnt really had proper time to investigate. I doubt very much i'll get chance to go back before next weekend!

[danielj]

Briggie, only just logged on to the site after a few days absence. Very sorry to hear about the latest difficulty with the truck. Hang in there for another few days till there is some clarity on what exactly the problem is. Your not beaten yet and neither are the members of this site by the sound of things.

[tezzer]

it could be the torque converter drive plate has fractured, replaced quite a few in my garage days, and the garage would have had to undo bolts to allow torque converter to stay in bell housing, or he let the oil run out, and left torque converter on drive plate, but i doubt it though.

[willow]

Well just caught up with this
You really are having a bad time of it
But so did I
1. 4 wheel drive not working
folks here talked me thruough how to check how bad it was
in the end after trying to repair the auto 4x4 I fitted the manuel and since had no problems The garage that tried to repair it had not even thought about fitting the manuel
I got the bits from Millners thanks agin to this site and the garage fitted them
no problems since and its been well used
Oil leakin everywhere again the garage said no idea where its comming from
Again folks on here pointed me in the right direction and it turned out to be a badly fitted oil filter
All brake pipes and fuel pipes had to be replaced front to rear a big job loads of turns
The fuel tank had to be drained
fuel pump had to be reconditioned
Picked it up from the garage and drove off then arrived at the fuel station in clouds of smoke
Took it back to the garage and they had not connected the injecters properly
Had a service and glow plugs changed and it would not start
Put the old glow plugs back in and no problem since
All I can say is ..we all have problems no matter what car we have
This site helped me fix mine don't give up yet
I have had mine ..same age as yours... for 2 years now and its been the best 4x4 I have ever had
I used to have land rovers before
Good luck........
......
clivvy your a star

[briggie]

Originally Posted by willow

Well just caught up with this
You really are having a bad time of it
But so did I
1. 4 wheel drive not working
folks here talked me thruough how to check how bad it was
in the end after trying to repair the auto 4x4 I fitted the manuel and since had no problems The garage that tried to repair it had not even thought about fitting the manuel
I got the bits from Millners thanks agin to this site and the garage fitted them
no problems since and its been well used
Oil leakin everywhere again the garage said no idea where its comming from
Again folks on here pointed me in the right direction and it turned out to be a badly fitted oil filter
All brake pipes and fuel pipes had to be replaced front to rear a big job loads of turns
The fuel tank had to be drained
fuel pump had to be reconditioned
Picked it up from the garage and drove off then arrived at the fuel station in clouds of smoke
Took it back to the garage and they had not connected the injecters properly
Had a service and glow plugs changed and it would not start
Put the old glow plugs back in and no problem since
All I can say is ..we all have problems no matter what car we have
This site helped me fix mine don't give up yet
I have had mine ..same age as yours... for 2 years now and its been the best 4x4 I have ever had
I used to have land rovers before
Good luck........
......
clivvy your a star

im chuffed you got yours sorted , but my situation is slightly different with respect ... i have to have a auto because i physically cannot drive a manual , also i cannot service /repair my truck myself , so i have to rely on garages

[clivvy]

Originally Posted by briggie

im chuffed you got yours sorted , but my situation is slightly different with respect ... i have to have a auto because i physically cannot drive a manual , also i cannot service /repair my truck myself , so i have to rely on garages

I think your right Pete, its much trickier for you, but Willows 100%. Dont give up just yet, just read his list of faults, thats a big list, i'd have been in despair. Your problem, your car problem, is a weird one. I'd suspect we could drive it away no problem, it'd warm up and then make some noise. I do wonder if we can sell "as is" to someone who can fix it? someone who has the garage space/time to do it..?

[sidsid06]

been away for a couple of days so just had a read though all the replys!

sorry to hear about your truck briggie it seems if its not 1 thing its another.

well all i can say is wait to here from the garage and hope its not bad news

i will add this tho i had a alfa i know its not the same as your truck, but had gearbox replaced in that and a few days later had a knocking noise

and it was big end bearings!!! it seems that when 1 thing is fix it seems to add pressure to another part the engine!

got the bearings out and the wear on them indicated to inadequate oil changes air filter ect!!!! the donut who own the car before me never had it serviced!!

hope it not the same for your truck, keep your chin up briggie

[briggie]

Originally Posted by sidsid06

been away for a couple of days so just had a read though all the replys!

sorry to hear about your truck briggie it seems if its not 1 thing its another.

well all i can say is wait to here from the garage and hope its not bad news

i will add this tho i had a alfa i know its not the same as your truck, but had gearbox replaced in that and a few days later had a knocking noise

and it was big end bearings!!! it seems that when 1 thing is fix it seems to add pressure to another part the engine!

got the bearings out and the wear on them indicated to inadequate oil changes air filter ect!!!! the donut who own the car before me never had it serviced!!

hope it not the same for your truck, keep your chin up briggie

i dont want tp pre emt anything , but that sounds very plausible , i doubt very much the previous owner serviced it , lets hope its not

[briggie]

if it is these big end bearings .... is it fairly easy ( cheapish ) to repair ?

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by clivvy

What's the tell tale signs of the "big ends" going? How many are there? Is it likely at all that they can go on an 80k mile engine, diesel at that!?

The engine clatters like buggery at all revs. Impossible to miss.

But I'll say it again, this SAME engine powers London taxis to mileages the bodywork of these trucks can only dream about.....does anyone actually KNOW anyone with a totally failed Mistral/Terrano/Maverick engine that hasn't been run without oil?

The fact its a diesel doesn't actually make that much difference except the motor is engineered to deal with compression ratios that would burst a petrol engine....

[clivvy]

Originally Posted by briggie

if it is these big end bearings .... is it fairly easy ( cheapish ) to repair ?

it depends i think. could just be the rings perhaps...we'll know more tomorrow.

[briggie]

if you read page 9 of this it gives engine noise causes

http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf