4x4 response

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

As for the TA and Army - the problem is with all the paperwork etc and general permissions and red tape it can take 24 or 48 hours to mobilise military assistance.

Youre dead right. 4hrs is highly optimistic to get them on scene, In fact 48 hrs to mobilise TA is nigh on impossible, not because they wouldnt its pure logistics. Plus of course many resources are elsewhere at the mo.

The red tape inst difficult to cut through with the help of the liaison officer but they then have some pretty high up folk to answer to

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by ocelot

I'm working these days for a number of agencies, typically in a comms role,

My last pst was a long time ago admittedly, it's not needed in my role as such and I'm not allowed to search. The offender searches were carried out by the two escorting officers.

In terms of first aid, my last course was December 2009 and is required to be redone on a yearly basis, as for vetting, it remains current and is reviewed every year. I have completed two driving course, the basic and standard roadcraft courses of which you will be aware. The 4x4 courses were military in nature although delivered by a sub contractor and led to LANTRA qualifications. I undertake CPD on a yearly basis.

The risk assessment carried out by the officers was goverened by the weather conditions at the time, the vehicle's suitability and my own verified credentials.

Far from ideal and yes, the plastic lined transit would be far more suitable, but as the 4x4 budget is eaten up by 'traffic', the only option at that time was a 4x4R vehicle.

Evening, I do actually understand the terminology (well I'm presuming I've got alien things like continuous personal dev correct ? ), many of us originate from an active military background and bimble along from there It seems you have had a rather mixed background looking at the establishments you have attended. However moving swiftly back onto topic there are still gaps in your cv that would be picked up on as I suspected, I can assure you and I'm sure you'll concede

I wouldnt have expected you to search anyone, in fact I wouldnt have expected you to have any contact whatsoever with an arrested bod and thats where the problem starts.

The answer is for forces to maintain some kind of 4x4 capability, be it a buy in as required resilience or permanent fleet. We have them on fleet.

Originally Posted by ocelot

rather than chipping away at what little I've been able to do, wouldn't it be better to further the aims of 4x4R from within the force? I'm sure your superiors would be very interested..

I will reiterate a point I have made time and time again in public and in pm's which demonstrates no chipping away has been conducted, I believe va's are invaluable and have the utmost respect for them. It is the use they are put to that concerns me.

Transportation of prisoners and custody is a core police function.

Business continuity of core functions are a clear legislated responsibility of the force.

If they do not have contingency measures in place to full fill those using properly accredited fully trained staff with proper equipment they are failing. I'm pretty certain they'd get (or heading towards) a red from HMI for this one

I would put forward the point that even if my or anyone else's risk asses saw you as suitable, what happens when the bloke 6 cops are sitting on in the town centre following the stabbing needs transporting and youre not available who would do it then

As far as furthering the aims, read my earlier posts. I have a genuine professional interest in this one. The question I am asking myself before I start writing reports is what roles for you would I suggest to any development team ?

Transporting prisoners is unlikely to be one

I intend continuing collating information of which this thread is one part but once you scratch the surface theres a lot more to it.

If you feel due to the public nature of the forum theres more to say I can provide you with my secure email addr for contact

oh and one last thing......please drop the unqualified use of the title "superiors" that really does date you in theses modern times (me too of course) It is manager, supervisor or similar. informally boss. The reason stems from a bit of pc culture but its also practical. We work to skill and knowledge levels. I'm not superior to anyone who advises me or passes me info, in fact if theyre doing that theyre superior to me cos they know more on the topic

[zippy656]

wesex 4x4 have a pub meet coming up soo, 5th Feb in Devizes.

fell free to pop along, talk with 4x4 response member and maybe join up!

pm me for location

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by zippy656

wesex 4x4 have a pub meet coming up soo, 5th Feb in Devizes.

fell free to pop along, talk with 4x4 response member and maybe join up!

pm me for location

See if I can get an overnighter otherwise its too far

In the current climate I think I know what the answer will be

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

I am genuinely pleased you guys want to do this and that the professionals need
you but dont think they should need to. i suspect their contingency plans are not
upto it though may be reviewed after the last few weeks. hey and this is only
early january not normally renowned for snow, there is plenty of winter to go
and the shortest month usually throws the best/worst weather.

think this goes well with recent national news about what this winter has cost
britain in terms of lost wages and down time, then this notion of winterising us
to the standards taken for granted in the northern parts of europe. since this
doesnt include heating the roads i suspect it must mean better equipment for
vital services.

problem is we only get these winters every 15 years or so and suspect alot
of infarstructures are compromised by cost of average not worst conditions.

[Deleted account DD]

Couldnt agree more

[jims-terrano]

I think the lack of resources really boils down to cash or rather the lack of it. If we as a country were to equip our services and authorities to be able to cope with these and other rare problems then our taxes would sky rocket. The poor councils trying to keep costs down are being told by central government to cut costs even further starting this year are damd if they do and damd if they don't. If the local authorities had stocked up with grit then council taxes would be even higher.

Jim T

[(RIP) PLANK]

a bit off topic but now that you have mentioned it:

salting roads, environmetaly dangerous polution to water courses etc, so why does everyone secream for more while slaggin off 4x4's?

also the gritting lorries use alot of diesel making lots more co2, so do all the hatchbacks runnig the engines to keep warm in the traffic jams they are stuck in as they can't get through a couple of inches of snow.

so instead of blaming the government why not get a set of snow chains, they are compulsory in many parts of europe, or some decent winter tyres?

you know these snow moaners dont even bother to put on a decent pair of shoes! our postman was complaining yesterday about his feet getting cold and wet every day because of the snow, blames the council for not gritting pavements bear in mind he works out doors all weathers full time! and he was wearing trainers

I have every sympathy for those affected by the weather but wouldn't providing ourselves with a bit of basic cold weather equipment, e.g, boots and a wooly hat for starters be better than keep asking the goverment for help - or is this the ultimate example of the nanny state?

moan over

[Deleted account DD]

One of the funniest accounts (in a darkly humorous way) regarding gritting I heard was with regards to what its made up of.

Apparently it often contains molasses which makes it stick better to the road.

This practice was banned in some areas of Europe after several serious accidents involving vehicles and various badgers, dogs, foxes and other animals who got distracted licking the road they were supposed to be crossing ....sorry

You really couldnt make it up could you

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Originally Posted by daved

Youre dead right. 4hrs is highly optimistic to get them on scene, In fact 48 hrs to mobilise TA is nigh on impossible, not because they wouldnt its pure logistics. Plus of course many resources are elsewhere at the mo.

The red tape inst difficult to cut through with the help of the liaison officer but they then have some pretty high up folk to answer to

Hey I know that feeling, I have to answer to the MRS (missus) and its her motor!

[zippy656]

Originally Posted by Thomas-the-Terrano2

Hey I know that feeling, I have to answer to the MRS (missus) and its her motor!

if its HER motor, when why she not her keeping us lot in like along with willow?

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Originally Posted by zippy656

if its HER motor, when why she not her keeping us lot in like along with willow?

er cos this is my time...hers is emmerdale corry and those miserable walforders!

anyroad how do you know this is me and not her ??? now thats scarry.

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by Thomas-the-Terrano2

er cos this is my time...hers is emmerdale corry and those miserable walforders!

anyroad how do you know this is me and not her ??? now thats scarry.

because she is better looking than you, now bugger off and give her a turn at the keyboard

[extreme-4x4]

Originally Posted by Thomas-the-Terrano2

er cos this is my time...hers is emmerdale corry and those miserable walforders!

anyroad how do you know this is me and not her ??? now thats scarry.

now thats funny

[extreme-4x4]

Originally Posted by PLANK

because she is better looking than you, now bugger off and give her a turn at the keyboard

what a fantastic idea