racists thats me now

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

so lets get this right.
im allowed to say not uk nationals. but i cant say not bloody british

in not female
im not black
im not gay
im not french


i am white
i am british
i am straight
i am male

whilst as you know i have often been on your side when these things come up.

and i have tried to defuse this thread for your benefit plank.

but you have to explain, how is saying "they are not bloody british" if they are not british
how on earth do you make that racist

example:
in not a banana, so how can that be offensive or discrimination . its not even anti fruit.
its just an explanation that i am not a banana

This is just silly, you see my point surley, its not the word you use its the sentence it is in and the way it is used that matters and i could turn all of the above round to be offensive and so im sure could you, you are missenterpriting and missing the point not me! and how is it helping? how is it defusing? answer its not mate sorry, so lets bury this now and move on

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by tezzer

hi plank, quote--as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?


when my daughter got married they were both working and could only get private rental, really wanted to buy their own house but could not get a mortage on their earnings, anyway paid the deposit and moved in, a loverly 2 bedroom flat, only a year old, daughter had a baby, and 6 montyhs later son in law lost his job because of cut backs and so they could'nt afford to stay there, the council would only pay a certain amount of the rent and when they used their savings they had to move in with the wife and me, signed on council books for a council house and was told it will 7-9 years before they would get a house of their own. after 6 months living with us we contacted CAB and was told the only way forward was to throw them out, i did ask around and found out this is a common practise, that has to be wrong, anyway while sil and daughter were in the council office a black family came in, went straight in because there was an interperter waiting to help with filling forms and they were given drinks, and that has to be wrong, so im sorry if you took offence about my posting but i have had agut full of the stupid system in this country. so thats why i had to throw them out, and i felt a right bastard for doing it mate.
but it worked and they have a 3 bedroom house privately rented, and the land lord is a diamond she dropped the rent so the council will pay the rent. AMEN

tezzer

Tezzer, im glad its worked out for you and yours, i was not offended by your post, in fact if you read the firt reply i make i suggested your opinion was valid and you were in fact not racist for expressing it! Its where it all went that was wrong! You have every right to be anoyed by an inadequate and unfair system! I just dont think there is any need for the thread to degenerate into some thing altogether different!

As daved said under the race ralatons amendment act a racist incident is defined by the perceptions of the recepient, in other words if some one complains then it is racism! it seem a bit over the top and in practice often is, for exaple people crying racism at the staff in offices when they dont get their own way. But, that is down to a badly worded law, and people doing what people do and taking advantage of it (whatever their origins!), just like the housing policies and benefits system. The way this was going where would it have ended up if i hadn't expressed my opinion? it was going down hill fast!!

[zippy656]

just like to put my 2p in here...

they can all be friends, so lets have fun.. SIT BACK. drink in hand and work out where we can have some mud plugging fun green laneing

[paulp]

the only "immigrants" i would be proud to be behind is the Ghurkas.

Lets give these guys and thre families what they deserve

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by zippy656

jdrink in hand

Not allowed, no weekday drinking , only Friday and Saturdays

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by paulp

the only "immigrants" i would be proud to be behind is the Ghurkas.

Lets give these guys and thre families what they deserve

why them in particular? this is an odd subject from us the 'British' a nation of immigrants and their descendants who have had more allies and enemies and more invsions than perhaps any other country on earth! or is it as they are the ones most recently in the news? though to be honest i do agree with their claim.

My point wasnt about supporting or not supporting immigration or policy's allowing or dissalowing it but rather about challenging racist statments that have no place here. Most people once they realise they have offended apologise and move on as it is usual done unintetionaly and that is that.

But it is important to challenge racist statments otherwise these things just sink deeper and deeper and before you know it, arguments begin, people leave, and worse.

And as for policy descision by the government allowing this, how many of the people complaining voted for them? and have done for the last few elections!

It is time to leave this and move on now i think, perhaps we can tempt daved to break his weekday vow of abstenance and have a tipple as it is sunday night!

[extreme-4x4]

the point is plank, yes it is down to government policy,
and where else in the world can you just turn up with nothing and expect to have everything else ( the luxuries if you like)that the rest of us have paid in for
ie free health service, freedom of speech, free government help when your in trouble.

this is something we have all paid in for (taxes) to create our safe society. and for centuries our countrymen fought in wars and gave their lives for us to enjoy our freedom .

so with this in mind i think its utterly disgusting that, i am not allowed to declare myself as british and those that are not not british
this is our country. and i for one will not surrender my rights

if our country was enduring the blitz today our country would be lost. because you would all be out there waving your white flags and surrendering.

our country is an island so therefor it is impossible to claim asilum here, because you would have to cross another countries border to get here. you can only claim asilum in your nearest safe country . thats a fact

now i dont object to our country taking our share of the people from around the world who need asilum. that would be a nice good thing to do.
however we are not playing on a level playing feild nor are we taking our share of asilum seekers. in fact we are taking the most
also if you are claiming asilum, you dont have a choice where you go . you go dirctly to your first safe country.

i dont object to people coming here immigration... thats fine if you can prove you can support yourself and your family... i cant just up sticks and go to australia the usa or even germany and when i turn up expect everything for free.

i expect to be homeless soon , due to the poor state of the construction industry and the massive influx of foreign nationals working here for next to nothing, they can afford to work for these stupid rates because they all share some house and dont have families here to support or they cheet the system.
so when i do become homeless. how many of you nice kind politicly correct people are going to open thair doors to me. when i turn up with my family
i will expect a roof over my head, heating and hot water. plenty of food on the table. oh and some pocket money will be handy too

i trust all of you people who dont mind giving my taxes to whoever wants it from weherever they are from. will kindly pm me your address or post it here. so i can expect my free ride............... or will you be discriminating against me.

[Liam]

Perhaps the Jersey model would be simpler? No dole whatsoever and medical benefits only kick in after 6 months, no local authority housing until you have been there for three years. So basically you need to have work before arriving or have a pile of money to tide you over for a few years. And don't you have to be there a minimum term of years before you can buy a property? My thinking about UK policy is that the Government felt an obligation to take care of the needs of the people living in the Empire and providing them with an opportunity to live and work in the UK if they wished to do so. However, they clearly didn't give the long term consequences a lot of thought and now are lumbered with a problem which is unsolvable without taking drastic measures, which EU law would prohibit as it would be against EU free movement policy. The term "as ye sow,so shall ye reap" comes to mind. If there was no British Empire, a lot of what is going on would not be an issue. It's kind of like the British Empire in reverse, foreign nationals realise they can profit by going to another country and milking it as much as they can and either settle there permanently and continue making more than they could in their own country or bugger off home after a time with bags of loot.

[rickydicky]

I don't think I am racist, but I do think I could be perceived as being racist and perception is the devils right hand man. I believe THIS government has made innocent non-racists question their beliefs. For instance, why do I have to pay for signs in surgeries , hospitals and post offices in a dozen different languages ? Why do I have to pay for the £100 million the government spend on translators for immigrants ? Why is there a perception that immigrants get to the top of the list for housing ? Why when I have to fill out a form there is no box for english/Scottish/NI/Welsh white male/female ? Why when an immigrant comes to this country he/she can go straight on the dole queue ? Why is English a minority language in our schools ? When I can afford to go on holiday abroad, I take money, a translation book, medical insurance and make sure I have a place to stay.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to come to his (sorry that should be this) country, I just blame THIS government for the lack of control. And finally, why when this country managed to defend it's borders through two world wars, there are an estimated 750,000 illegal immigrants in this country ?

[Liam]

Don't think it was the current Government that prevents English people having English as their nationality on their passports. Scottish can have Scottish,Welsh can have Welsh not sure about Northern Ireland,I know they can choose Irish or British, perhaps NI zippy can answer? Everyone else in the UK is British,correct?

[Deleted account DD]

Extreme, I have absolute sympathy with your plight and that is genuine.

However lets put it in context where this thread has gone astray.

I am English, I always tick the box that says other because theres rarely an English option. I That isn’t remotely racist, its my identity, its not derogatory and not offensive in the context used. The only reason I put English is because “proud to be a north easterner” wouldn’t usually fit in the box.


The bit where what could be perceived as open racism on this thread was shown here:

Originally Posted by another

well full of rag heads

and

Originally Posted by another

but you all know that if we were from eastern europe or rag head country this would not happen, and if i was to mention this in a interview i would taken off housing list and escorted from building for being a racists, which i am

Lets keep it in straight. Nothing wrong with balanced evidenced evidenced debate about say housing policies.

Thats nothing at all to do with welfare , policies or political correctness. Just not being racist .

[extreme-4x4]

and none of them said by me. i wouldnt use those words and i am alarmed by the use of those words.
lets not forget my son is 20 and has an indian aisian look/ colour.
yes i worry about him with the current general feeling not just here but throughout the uk.
i worry somone will start on him for racist reasons ... even more now

but like i said we are british and proud to be. whats wrong with that.

im english too. but you aint allowed to fly your own flag there

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

the point is plank, yes it is down to government policy,
and where else in the world can you just turn up with nothing and expect to have everything else ( the luxuries if you like)that the rest of us have paid in for
ie free health service, freedom of speech, free government help when your in trouble.

this is something we have all paid in for (taxes) to create our safe society. and for centuries our countrymen fought in wars and gave their lives for us to enjoy our freedom .

so with this in mind i think its utterly disgusting that, i am not allowed to declare myself as british and those that are not not british
this is our country. and i for one will not surrender my rights

if our country was enduring the blitz today our country would be lost. because you would all be out there waving your white flags and surrendering.

our country is an island so therefor it is impossible to claim asilum here, because you would have to cross another countries border to get here. you can only claim asilum in your nearest safe country . thats a fact

now i dont object to our country taking our share of the people from around the world who need asilum. that would be a nice good thing to do.
however we are not playing on a level playing feild nor are we taking our share of asilum seekers. in fact we are taking the most
also if you are claiming asilum, you dont have a choice where you go . you go dirctly to your first safe country.

i dont object to people coming here immigration... thats fine if you can prove you can support yourself and your family... i cant just up sticks and go to australia the usa or even germany and when i turn up expect everything for free.

i expect to be homeless soon , due to the poor state of the construction industry and the massive influx of foreign nationals working here for next to nothing, they can afford to work for these stupid rates because they all share some house and dont have families here to support or they cheet the system.
so when i do become homeless. how many of you nice kind politicly correct people are going to open thair doors to me. when i turn up with my family
i will expect a roof over my head, heating and hot water. plenty of food on the table. oh and some pocket money will be handy too

i trust all of you people who dont mind giving my taxes to whoever wants it from weherever they are from. will kindly pm me your address or post it here. so i can expect my free ride............... or will you be discriminating against me.

extreme, no one has said you can't declare yourself British, this is just getting bloody silly now, you really are just doing this to wind me up, aren't you? surely no one is this obtuse without realising it?

I am English, I am happy and proud to be English and accept that England is part of Britain our wonderfull nation!

I am not defending assylum policies, or immigration policies, or anyhting, I am just objecting to racist terms including 'rag head' and pajorative ethno-slurs statments like 'they are not bloody british'

Your just missing the point, and/or arguing for the sake of it!

Im leaving this now, I have fullfilled my moral and profesional obligation to challenge racist statments and behaviour, and tried to explain the error of this thread in those legal and moral terms. I have done my bit i'm not getting into it any further!

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by A.N.Other

If there was no British Empire, a lot of what is going on would not be an issue. It's kind of like the British Empire in reverse, foreign nationals realise they can profit by going to another country and milking it as much as they can and either settle there permanently and continue making more than they could in their own country or bugger off home after a time with bags of loot.

Hit the nail on the head....whether we like it or not we live on an island that once had the worlds biggest empire bar none, and spent several hundred years pillaging half the countries on the planet and living it large.....that kind of puts these people on the moral high ground.

So the fact they see fit (and in many cases have the right) to come here is one thing. The way the government handles them when they get here is another, and you have a vote to deal with that as you wish. Even if, for example, a few BNP MPs were to be elected, it would send a message to the government to change its ways or carry on at its peril.

You can't generalise as there are plenty of recent immigrants here doing jobs that Brits wouldn't touch with a bargepole, although of course there are lots of other dependants and black-market workers not contributing, but its not their fault a lot of the time.

My mother was born in Karachi (pre-partition, so when it was in India). Despite that I'm not offended because people are entitled to their opinions. But a site like this isn't the place to be giving them in the terms that have been used. I thought I joined a bloody car club????

[Deleted account DD]

Lacroupe, your Karachi connection reminds me of a tremendous Gentleman I had the pleasure in fact honour of meeting.

He moved to England many years ago from India and made a success of his life.

He was a victim of a burglary and when I was getting details from him, even all that time ago, self declared ethnic background was required on the paperwork.

He very proudly gave his as British Indian I'd neve heard that description before that and was most happy to put it on the form for him.

It was his birth along with chosen allegiance and culture.