mothers banned for being british

dunno that dalhi llhama fellas always giving the chinese gip!

[extreme-4x4]

well impressed with this . for once a grown up chat about nationality .

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

well impressed with this . for once a grown up chat about nationality .

how very dare you - calling me grown up

[Sedger]

Originally Posted by jace

muslims are to blame for everything and as lady warsi said its the in thing lol

She was not saying this at all. She was saying that it's become the accepted thing to be anti-muslim. Almost the norm. She did say, in effect, that there are some bad muslims. And she's right. There's bad christians, sikhs, janes, budhists. Even some well bad 4x4 drivers! We're dealing with the human condition.

Problems start when the media grow an atmosphere of hatred against one particular element of society. That's when all of society's problems are blamed on that group - by "the man in the street".

Sure, there are organised groups of muslim thugs in the inner city areas - who are into all sorts of things as we've seen from the press (young girls groomed etc). But this is not because they are muslim - its because of where they live, the absence of work etc etec.

Turning to the Muslim religion - there are many brands of this - all have a different take on the guidance given by their prophet. But having had a look into this it seems that the violent/take over the world brand is a distortion of the true religion.

Cards on teh table - I'm an atheist - I think that religions have been and are a tool of the elite to give us all something to think about.

Hope this is grown up enuff.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by Sedger

I think that religions have been and are a tool of the elite to give us all something to think about.

Spot on...they have always been about control and power and are more trouble than good IMHO.

Its like charities. Tip for the out-of-work...start a donkey charity. Have you noticed how, despite the fact there are probably only about 100 working donkeys ona few beaches in the UK, there seem to be 000s in 'sanctuaries' all over the place? Where the feck do they all come from??????

Well it works like this...you rent a field, get a couple of donkeys, register as a charity, start collecting money, take yourself out a nice salary and expenses and spend whats left on straw and carrots.....and if you think I'm joking I'm not!

I once looked at the accounts of Guide Dogs for the Blind and they had enough cash in hand to pay for a new dog for every blind person in the UK about seven times over without ever collecting another penny. And when I worked in the finance business years ago I used to arrange facilities for one of the biggest charities in the UK...what I saw there in terms of where/how the money got spent stopped me from ever again putting a sodding shilling in a collection pot.

guide dogs have two massive complexs near me and were critisized for spending oodles on art and carpet for offices,charitys make you laugh i did some work for a christian center nr stratford they head hunted the head of ibm to project manage there new building project maybe he was cost effective i dont know!

[tezzer]

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Sure, there are organised groups of muslim thugs in the inner city areas - who are into all sorts of things as we've seen from the press (young girls groomed etc). But this is not because they are muslim - its because of where they live, the absence of work etc etec.


the problem with muslims is they do not respect women, they seem to thing they can do what they like to them, well they probably can in their own country, but not here, they have to respect our culture or pi** off home, and these thugs know that we wont cut their hands off for thieving etc.

[(RIP) PLANK]

[QUOTE=tezzer;127842]

Originally Posted by Sedger

the problem with [some] muslims [and some christians, hindus Sikhs, buddists, etc.] is they do not respect women,etc.

And many Muslims can not "piss of home" as home is here! I know a lot of mulims who have family trees strethcing back in Britain for many generations, and who are whiter than me! It is a faith not a race, so therefore, if you became a Muslim tomorrw, and you could if you chose, where would you piss off home too? If you do decide to convert, i'll still be you mate, i'm not biased against anyone!

I do not condone disrespect for women, but apparently niether does the Koran and many of the misiterpretation of it added to bits of old bedoiun customs and faiths that predated Islam are the problem.

As an example, no where in the bible does it mention people going to 'heaven', or God as a 'trinity', and no where does it reference homosexuality in women. But these things are still practised or condemed by many Christian groups! Other Christian things that do not come from the bible are Christmas, Easter, etc. etc. But everyone still does them!

There is good and bad in every community, and it's not fair to blame everyone in a group for the actions of a few!

I do enjoy a good debate, maybe we can discuss 4x4's next?

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by PLANK

I do enjoy a good debate, maybe we can discuss 4x4's next?

do you like to do it alone, or do you prefer a mass debate Mr Plank?

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

do you like to do it alone, or do you prefer a mass debate Mr Plank?

i'm not fussed, the more the merrier

[tezzer]

[QUOTE=PLANK;127846]

Originally Posted by tezzer

And many Muslims can not "piss of home" as home is here! I know a lot of mulims who have family trees strethcing back in Britain for many generations, and who are whiter than me! It is a faith not a race, so therefore, if you became a Muslim tomorrw, and you could if you chose, where would you piss off home too? If you do decide to convert, i'll still be you mate, i'm not biased against anyone!

I do not condone disrespect for women, but apparently niether does the Koran and many of the misiterpretation of it added to bits of old bedoiun customs and faiths that predated Islam are the problem.

As an example, no where in the bible does it mention people going to 'heaven', or God as a 'trinity', and no where does it reference homosexuality in women. But these things are still practised or condemed by many Christian groups! Other Christian things that do not come from the bible are Christmas, Easter, etc. etc. But everyone still does them!

There is good and bad in every community, and it's not fair to blame everyone in a group for the actions of a few!

I do enjoy a good debate, maybe we can discuss 4x4's next?

i know what your saying, but this a a Christian country and if they decide to make their home here, then they should respect that, but they don't and that's why i don't have time for them, they give the impression they want to take over, which is what Enoch Powell said in the 60-70 or there abouts.

the muslim faith tells you to go out and recruit more to the faith to be a good muslim,so yes they will take over and by time politicians realise itll be to late.
all religions are bad or are interpreted to be bad by some of its followers and mopst things that are bad or cause trouble are branded a menace and banned so ban all religions job done close borders have an audit boot out all ilegals take back control of this country simpleze!

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by jace

the muslim faith tells you to go out and recruit more to the faith to be a good muslim,so yes they will take over and by time politicians realise itll be to late.
all religions are bad or are interpreted to be bad by some of its followers and mopst things that are bad or cause trouble are branded a menace and banned so ban all religions job done close borders have an audit boot out all ilegals take back control of this country simpleze!

so does Christianity! think of all the branches of Christianity that actively do this all over the world. The catholic missions that set up schools in impoverished nations, the Jehova's witnesses who call at your door, the salvation army that recruit the homeless and save the alcoholics and drug addicts.

Now, be honest - have you had a christian organisation call at your door to bring their Christian message? probably yes.

has anyone ever tried to convert you to islam? probably no

I have been in a lot of mosques, and a lot of churches and the experience is (to me as a godless heathen anyway) pretty much the same.

There are plans to bulid a 'super mosque' close to me and i don't want it, i am concerned about the influence radical islam is having on British culture. But i don't think branding all muslims as bad is going to help.

And, i do agree on clamping down on ilegal immigrants, i am also not in agreement with many of our past governments immigration policies

the problem with closing the borders is - you miss out on all the imigrants who come and ofer usufull services: the greek shipping bilionaires that pay more tax in a week than we will earn in a lifetime, the surgeons and doctors, the nurses who made up the numbers when we were in need. The billions invested by arabic oil producing nations etc.

[Sedger]

Could someone amend or remove the post from Planl where I have been misquotes. Please. Thank you.

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the problem with [some] muslims [and some christians, hindus Sikhs, buddists, etc.] is they do not respect women,etc.
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[briggie]

well i spoke to a muslim friend this morning , who told me that islam is actually a very peacefull religion , unfortunately as in other religions ( including christianity ) people take extreme views, dont forget he said also about the crusades ...... as for debates ... ive always been called a great mass debater ..... or i think thats what they said