svo

[patbhoy]

Originally Posted by tezzer

i would'nt bother to be honest, you will need a good supply of used oil for a start, my mate bought one and he is a chef and he cant warrant buying one, better to buy svo or bio.

I dont have a clue what SVO is, and where would it be possible to buy svo or bio

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by patbhoy

I dont have a clue what SVO is, and where would it be possible to buy svo or bio

Pat its simple.

SVO stands for Straight Vegetable Oil. Its the new, clean stuff you buy in your supermarket to fry your chips in. Sunflower oil, vegetable oil etc...

WVO is Waste Vegetable Oil (e.g. ex-chip shop) and is shite....not recommended as its full of animal fats and other contaminants

The Terrano 2.7 is one of just a few engines that you can chuck this stuff into (preferably mixed with diesel for best results....50/50 SVO/diesel is fine but you can go a lot higher with the SVO if you like) and it actually runs better in my experience. Plus its cheaper.

'Bio' is diesel that has been derived by chemical means from stuff like WVO by processing.

IMHO its not good unless its from a known respectable source. Home made Bio can contain high levels of undesirable chemicals for a start that can rot some components (ask Tezzer!) and its use invariably results in a need to change your filters fairly soon since it has a habit of dissolving all the shite and crap in your pipes and fuel tank and flushing it through to your engine - however you only need to do that once or twice at most since when the cleaning process is done, its done.....

[patbhoy]

Is there any kind of modification required to enable you to run on svo then, you say the Terrano is able to, how can i check if my Y61 Patrol can.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by patbhoy

Is there any kind of modification required to enable you to run on svo then, you say the Terrano is able to, how can i check if my Y61 Patrol can.

The T2 is fine and needs zero modification, but I don't know what the Patrol 2.8 technology is like....anyone else know?

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

preferably mixed with diesel for best results

Hmmmm.................diesel not required

In all seriousness theres no record of diesel making it run better other than thinning it down for cold start . If you want a bit of a clean out stick some millers or similar in. They contain the same detergents as the companies lob into bulk and work out cheaper per fill than adding diesel

[patbhoy]

Been searching the net and have read plenty regarding the use of svo, it appears that any diesel will run without any problems with a 50-50 or 60-40 mix.
The only problems seems to be during cold spells of weather.
The tax/duty of 47p per litre i have to say makes the use of svo not anymore economical than buying diesel.
A lot of the threads i read the owners using svo claimed that their vehicles ran smoother and quieter.

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by patbhoy

Been searching the net and have read plenty regarding the use of svo, it appears that any diesel will run without any problems with a 50-50 or 60-40 mix.

NOOOOOOO.......................there are many engines you will kill putting svo into unmodified my merc engine being one of them. I need different injectors, wider bore fuel hose and a heat exchanger for single tank operation Dont know about your fleet.

Originally Posted by patbhoy

The tax/duty of 47p per litre i have to say makes the use of svo not anymore economical than buying diesel.

There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.

Originally Posted by patbhoy

A lot of the threads i read the owners using svo claimed that their vehicles ran smoother and quieter.

Yes , I found that too. However on some vehicles folk report a slight downturn in power. I didnt notice that , possibly because the PSI went on around the same time as I was starting to get more scientific about it lol

You are obviously doing your research but you seem to have fallen victim to keyboard experts Be careful mate.

Briggie and others posted a helpful link to a well established veggie site and thats a good example. Straight away when you go on there the front page contains so many examples of wrong info. Theres a lot of bollocks out there drowning the good info. Seems to be a lot of opinion thats interpreted as fact.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by daved

Hmmmm.................diesel not required

In all seriousness theres no record of diesel making it run better other than thinning it down for cold start . If you want a bit of a clean out stick some millers or similar in. They contain the same detergents as the companies lob into bulk and work out cheaper per fill than adding diesel

Borrox

You are correct, technically speaking, that you don't 'need' diesel mixed, BUT my practical experience is that, if you want to avoid lumpy startup and possibly lumpy cold running when the weather starts to turn chillier, AND not have to fanny about with pre-heaters, then 60/40 SVO/diesel is a good optimum mix. Am I right or am I right...?

[patbhoy]

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.


I think you'll find that this is the case for bio-diesel, have a look on the customs and excise website and you'll ind that duty is due to be paid on svo.

See below, extracted from the C&E website

2.5 Is any relief allowed on oil used as a fuel?
No relief is allowed on oil used as a heating fuel or motor fuel (including use as an extender or additive to motor fuel). However, light oil to be used as furnace fuel in a vaporised or atomised form may be obtained at a rebated rate. Please see Notice 184B Rebate of duty on light oil used as furnace fuel for further details.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by patbhoy

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.


I think you'll find that this is the case for bio-diesel, have a look on the customs and excise website and you'll ind that duty is due to be paid on svo.

See below, extracted from the C&E website

2.5 Is any relief allowed on oil used as a fuel?
No relief is allowed on oil used as a heating fuel or motor fuel (including use as an extender or additive to motor fuel). However, light oil to be used as furnace fuel in a vaporised or atomised form may be obtained at a rebated rate. Please see Notice 184B Rebate of duty on light oil used as furnace fuel for further details.

Pat - nonononono....there is no duty on SVO either so long as you keep below the 2500 litres per annum. I'll dig out the relevant bits but you can google it widely.....the measure was brought in about three years ago....not sure what this wording is above but its talking about tax relief not non-taxable, they are different things.

Theres a whole section on the revenue website about it and this isn't it.

[lacroupade]

Pat Google "SVO 2500 allowance".

It will throw up a multitude of sources confirming what you need to know.

Technically the 2500 litres is not an allowance per se, its a threshold like stamp duty, i.e. if you pass the 2500 mark you are liable for tax on the lot, not just the excess.

A relief (discussed in your text above) is something that reduces a tax burden, e.g. you pay tax on rental from a second home - there are no allowances - but you can claim relief for certain expenses to reduce the bill. Thats a very different thing to an allowance or threshold.

Trust me its a fact. 2500 litres or less a year and you are totally in the clear.

[patbhoy]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Pat Google "SVO 2500 allowance".

It will throw up a multitude of sources confirming what you need to know.

Technically the 2500 litres is not an allowance per se, its a threshold like stamp duty, i.e. if you pass the 2500 mark you are liable for tax on the lot, not just the excess.

A relief (discussed in your text above) is something that reduces a tax burden, e.g. you pay tax on rental from a second home - there are no allowances - but you can claim relief for certain expenses to reduce the bill. Thats a very different thing to an allowance or threshold.

Trust me its a fact. 2500 litres or less a year and you are totally in the clear.

From what i am reading the 2500 allowance is for bio-diesel only wether is made from svo or wvo.
If your using svo simply mixed with diesel its taxable.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by patbhoy

From what i am reading the 2500 allowance is for bio-diesel only wether is made from svo or wvo.
If your using svo simply mixed with diesel its taxable.

Home-made and small volume biodiesel is invariably made from WVO as SVO is far too expensive.

Let me go and find the words to set your mind at rest Pat, cos you're completely wrong.

[lacroupade]

OK Pat, if you'd read down a bit further you'd have found this:

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4.2.1 Exempt producers/users

If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:

* any biofuel, or
* any other fuel substitute or additive

within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.

Production includes the manufacture or processing of road fuel, and the setting aside of any product that has not been charged with duty, with the intention of using it as road fuel.

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SVO is defined elsewhere as a fuel substitute. A 'producer' is defined as someone who either MAKES or USES the product, in this case SVO.

Are you convinced now Pat?????

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by patbhoy

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.


I think you'll find that this is the case for bio-diesel, have a look on the customs and excise website and you'll ind that duty is due to be paid on svo.

See below, extracted from the C&E website

2.5 Is any relief allowed on oil used as a fuel?
No relief is allowed on oil used as a heating fuel or motor fuel (including use as an extender or additive to motor fuel). However, light oil to be used as furnace fuel in a vaporised or atomised form may be obtained at a rebated rate. Please see Notice 184B Rebate of duty on light oil used as furnace fuel for further details.

No idea on the tax relief regarding bio diesel.

however you can use up to 2500 litres of SVO (thats not bio diesel) as a road fuel without attracting taxation. There is no stipulation on what you can and cant mix it wih for taxation purposes so long as the stuff your mixing it with is duty paid as appropriate.

Trust me, thats straight from the horses mouth , ie those who enforce it at the roadside and carry out investigations