Will someone just buy me a Terrano.... - Page 2

bry · 22-06-2013, 18:07

The E-Bay advert.Describes the engine has having a timing chain.I could be wrong but i thought that instead of a chain it is gear driven.Anyone...

stinka · 22-06-2013, 18:15

2.7 gears
3.0 chain

bry · 22-06-2013, 18:18

I stand corrected.

Deano400 · 22-06-2013, 19:47

If I was in the market for a Terrano I'd buy the cleanest 2.7 I could find and rustproof it to death with dinitrol.

I have worked on all manner of vehicles and one thing is certain, common rail is not the best. All my mechanic friends would agree with that too. I don't know exactly why but modern engines are just not as reliable as the last generation of injector pump equipped engines, and I'm not jus talking about Nissans here.

Car forums are full of people referencing common rail sensor faults, limp modes and head gasket problems, that's not to say that there aren't hundreds of thousands of happy problem free people. I suspect that computer aided design has lead to engines being built with the minimum of material and squeezing the maximum performance both in terms of combined power and economy. Injectors and high pressure pumps are highly stressed and when they fail cost a fortune to repair.

The technology is out there to make reliable stuff but cost is such an issue these days and I suspect motor manufacturers rely heavily on parts and servicing since they are trying to claw back manufacturing and design costs. We all know that there are some older engines that can and do enjoy incredible longevity, but they were no doubt designed by men using experience and slide rules/pocket calculators so they were over engineered. Of course they wouldn't pass modern emissions requirements because those very requirements have driven ever more complicated and expensive solutions to reducing what comes out of the exhaust and how much goes into the tank.

Anyway, it's clear that like me, many people here favour the reliability and cost effectiveness of older engines, those things may not be any kind of issue for you. If you really want a 3 litre, then get one, the choice is yours and I can see why you prefer one, you're not on your own and at the end of the day everything that can go wrong is bolt on parts, just expensive bolt on parts. I'm certain that there will be a nice Terrano out there somewhere for you.

rayf3262 · 22-06-2013, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deano400

If I was in the market for a Terrano I'd buy the cleanest 2.7 I could find and rustproof it to death with dinitrol.

I have worked on all manner of vehicles and one thing is certain, common rail is not the best. All my mechanic friends would agree with that too. I don't know exactly why but modern engines are just not as reliable as the last generation of injector pump equipped engines, and I'm not jus talking about Nissans here.

Car forums are full of people referencing common rail sensor faults, limp modes and head gasket problems, that's not to say that there aren't hundreds of thousands of happy problem free people. I suspect that computer aided design has lead to engines being built with the minimum of material and squeezing the maximum performance both in terms of combined power and economy. Injectors and high pressure pumps are highly stressed and when they fail cost a fortune to repair.

The technology is out there to make reliable stuff but cost is such an issue these days and I suspect motor manufacturers rely heavily on parts and servicing since they are trying to claw back manufacturing and design costs. We all know that there are some older engines that can and do enjoy incredible longevity, but they were no doubt designed by men using experience and slide rules/pocket calculators so they were over engineered. Of course they wouldn't pass modern emissions requirements because those very requirements have driven ever more complicated and expensive solutions to reducing what comes out of the exhaust and how much goes into the tank.

Anyway, it's clear that like me, many people here favour the reliability and cost effectiveness of older engines, those things may not be any kind of issue for you. If you really want a 3 litre, then get one, the choice is yours and I can see why you prefer one, you're not on your own and at the end of the day everything that can go wrong is bolt on parts, just expensive bolt on parts. I'm certain that there will be a nice Terrano out there somewhere for you.

My 2002 ZD30 certainly is not common rail. It has a VP44 IP.

Deano400 · 22-06-2013, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayf3262

My 2002 ZD30 certainly is not common rail. It has a VP44 IP.

That's great, maybe the common rails were only in the Patrols.

stevo · 22-06-2013, 20:15

Cheers Deano - some very good points there.

I work in the car service industry, but at the customer facing end, but engineering background, so spanners hold no fear for me. Repairs that are beyond my confidence can be entrusted to the technicians (as they are now called) where I work. Having said that, I'm much happier when I have a roll of duct tape and a hammer to repair my cars

Oh yes, I've owned Landrovers before.....

The internet is full of car forums, and all of them have horror stories to tell about particular derivatives of car, having particular problems. I shudder at work when a customer says he's seen on the internet that 'it's a common problem'. That doesn't make the customer wrong tho.....

Manufacturers definitely rely on making money back from parts, as parts that aren't often changed, cost the earth, however its the dealer trying to maximise service costs for the customer, cos thats where the profit is. We don't want breakdowns, we want services, with extras such as brakes and tyres. Thats the gravy.

Back to the point though, I really appreciate the helpful replies from everyone on here, and I do consider every opinion given. My problem is I am impatient. I want it NOW! Or possibly sooner.

3 grand and a V70 to sell are burning a hole in my pocket.... I'll probably change my mind once or twice more before I buy something

So, all you helpful people, please don't think I am ungrateful, I appreciate all the help, and information, and hope to contribute more to the forum as I get to know whichever Terrano I buy....

bry · 22-06-2013, 20:42

I am glad i bought my 2.7tdi.This is my 1st terry.And after doing research and chatting with some mates and a family member in the know.I was informed the this engine is almost bullet proof.
But as with any motor,you can get a wrong un.But like you have said.With money in pocket (Burning a hole in ya pocket)and a motor to sell.Dont be rash.It is a buyers market at the moment.
I am on the look out for a second motor(Undecided as yet)

stinka · 23-06-2013, 11:31

Just buy this mate

http://bit.ly/19smMUY

Barrbeast · 23-06-2013, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deano400

That's great, maybe the common rails were only in the Patrols.

My 2004 Troll is definitely DI as well, as far as I know CRD versions of the ZD30 were from 2007 onwards

stevo · 23-06-2013, 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinka

Just buy this mate

http://bit.ly/19smMUY

thats nice

it would appear he has some heat resistant red paint, looking at the brakes

that was advertised a week or two ago - but the ad has disappeared.....

firebobby · 24-06-2013, 20:56

My 05 is much cleaner than my old 01 underneath, as for 2.7 v 3.0, had both and prefer the 3.0.
I didn't have issues with my 2.7 engine, but there are plenty of people on here who have and are suffering issues with them.

Timing gears and chains are much better than rubber belts

It's up to you what you buy, I know what I would go for

walshie · 25-06-2013, 08:27

Why don't you take a test drive in one of each and get a feel for each engine? Any respectable dealer should let you out in a vehicle for 20mins.

stevo · 25-06-2013, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by firebobby

My 05 is much cleaner than my old 01 underneath, as for 2.7 v 3.0, had both and prefer the 3.0.
I didn't have issues with my 2.7 engine, but there are plenty of people on here who have and are suffering issues with them.

Timing gears and chains are much better than rubber belts

It's up to you what you buy, I know what I would go for

It seems there are dedicated 2.7 people and 3.0 people. I'm driven towards the 3 because of the V70 power I have now. Although I've had slow landrovers before too, so could cope with a 2.7, as they would seem quick in comparison

Quote:

Originally Posted by walshie

Why don't you take a test drive in one of each and get a feel for each engine? Any respectable dealer should let you out in a vehicle for 20mins.

There's a plan, right there

stevo · 26-06-2013, 19:30

and then pops up choice number 5....

blue ( wifey likey), 81k, 2003, ticks the boxes and 1.5 hours away

if he's still got it at the weekend, I'lll be on my way....

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22-06-2013, 18:07	#16
bry Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Yorkshire.. Vehicle: Nissan Terrano MK 2 SE Posts: 1,757	The E-Bay advert.Describes the engine has having a timing chain.I could be wrong but i thought that instead of a chain it is gear driven.Anyone...

22-06-2013, 18:15	#17
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	2.7 gears 3.0 chain

22-06-2013, 18:18	#18
bry Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Yorkshire.. Vehicle: Nissan Terrano MK 2 SE Posts: 1,757	I stand corrected.

22-06-2013, 19:47	#19
Deano400 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: North West Vehicle: Patrol Y60 Posts: 217	If I was in the market for a Terrano I'd buy the cleanest 2.7 I could find and rustproof it to death with dinitrol. I have worked on all manner of vehicles and one thing is certain, common rail is not the best. All my mechanic friends would agree with that too. I don't know exactly why but modern engines are just not as reliable as the last generation of injector pump equipped engines, and I'm not jus talking about Nissans here. Car forums are full of people referencing common rail sensor faults, limp modes and head gasket problems, that's not to say that there aren't hundreds of thousands of happy problem free people. I suspect that computer aided design has lead to engines being built with the minimum of material and squeezing the maximum performance both in terms of combined power and economy. Injectors and high pressure pumps are highly stressed and when they fail cost a fortune to repair. The technology is out there to make reliable stuff but cost is such an issue these days and I suspect motor manufacturers rely heavily on parts and servicing since they are trying to claw back manufacturing and design costs. We all know that there are some older engines that can and do enjoy incredible longevity, but they were no doubt designed by men using experience and slide rules/pocket calculators so they were over engineered. Of course they wouldn't pass modern emissions requirements because those very requirements have driven ever more complicated and expensive solutions to reducing what comes out of the exhaust and how much goes into the tank. Anyway, it's clear that like me, many people here favour the reliability and cost effectiveness of older engines, those things may not be any kind of issue for you. If you really want a 3 litre, then get one, the choice is yours and I can see why you prefer one, you're not on your own and at the end of the day everything that can go wrong is bolt on parts, just expensive bolt on parts. I'm certain that there will be a nice Terrano out there somewhere for you.

22-06-2013, 20:15	#22
stevo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: surrey Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE Posts: 100	Cheers Deano - some very good points there. I work in the car service industry, but at the customer facing end, but engineering background, so spanners hold no fear for me. Repairs that are beyond my confidence can be entrusted to the technicians (as they are now called) where I work. Having said that, I'm much happier when I have a roll of duct tape and a hammer to repair my cars Oh yes, I've owned Landrovers before..... The internet is full of car forums, and all of them have horror stories to tell about particular derivatives of car, having particular problems. I shudder at work when a customer says he's seen on the internet that 'it's a common problem'. That doesn't make the customer wrong tho..... Manufacturers definitely rely on making money back from parts, as parts that aren't often changed, cost the earth, however its the dealer trying to maximise service costs for the customer, cos thats where the profit is. We don't want breakdowns, we want services, with extras such as brakes and tyres. Thats the gravy. Back to the point though, I really appreciate the helpful replies from everyone on here, and I do consider every opinion given. My problem is I am impatient. I want it NOW! Or possibly sooner. 3 grand and a V70 to sell are burning a hole in my pocket.... I'll probably change my mind once or twice more before I buy something So, all you helpful people, please don't think I am ungrateful, I appreciate all the help, and information, and hope to contribute more to the forum as I get to know whichever Terrano I buy....

22-06-2013, 20:42	#23
bry Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: South Yorkshire.. Vehicle: Nissan Terrano MK 2 SE Posts: 1,757	I am glad i bought my 2.7tdi.This is my 1st terry.And after doing research and chatting with some mates and a family member in the know.I was informed the this engine is almost bullet proof. But as with any motor,you can get a wrong un.But like you have said.With money in pocket (Burning a hole in ya pocket)and a motor to sell.Dont be rash.It is a buyers market at the moment. I am on the look out for a second motor(Undecided as yet)

23-06-2013, 11:31	#24
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	Just buy this mate http://bit.ly/19smMUY

24-06-2013, 20:56	#27
firebobby Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South Bucks Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2005 Posts: 3,499	My 05 is much cleaner than my old 01 underneath, as for 2.7 v 3.0, had both and prefer the 3.0. I didn't have issues with my 2.7 engine, but there are plenty of people on here who have and are suffering issues with them. Timing gears and chains are much better than rubber belts It's up to you what you buy, I know what I would go for

25-06-2013, 08:27	#28
walshie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: High Wycombe Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 3.0di Posts: 165	Why don't you take a test drive in one of each and get a feel for each engine? Any respectable dealer should let you out in a vehicle for 20mins.

26-06-2013, 19:30	#30
stevo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: surrey Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE Posts: 100	and then pops up choice number 5.... blue ( wifey likey), 81k, 2003, ticks the boxes and 1.5 hours away if he's still got it at the weekend, I'lll be on my way....