mud terrain or all terrain for snow??? - Page 2

BongoBerry · 08-12-2010, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

KL71's.!

not a chance

complete sh1t on my T2

kbekl · 08-12-2010, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slug32

not a chance

complete sh1t on my T2

i have heard the same from 3 different people now about grip and noise

BongoBerry · 08-12-2010, 18:45

noise is not a problem. the complete lack of grip is

taking the T2 out this weekend for some snowy laning, will report back

makeitfit · 08-12-2010, 18:57

The noise thing is complete ballox, they're mucho quiet for a mud tyre

Grip wise I've found them better than my Insa special tracks I had before, and seem to keep me up with the BFG mud shod landies with no bother,so there

There were some earlier models of the KLs that didnt wear very well and I think these are often confused in "my mate" tales.
The KL71s weak point that I can see is only when it's proper wet boggy claggy mud, they dont seem to self clean then

but then I wonder what else would

briggie · 08-12-2010, 19:01

well i have bridgestone duellers h/t tyres on ..... they coped very well with the recent snow /ice , and are very quiet on the roads

11redrex · 08-12-2010, 19:01

he KL71s weak point that I can see is only when it's proper wet boggy claggy mud, they dont seem to self clean then but then I wonder what else would[quote]

kingpin mud trackers.

spinna · 08-12-2010, 19:23

i agree with above im running BFG A/T's on my patrol and found them to be an excellent alrounder

kbekl · 08-12-2010, 19:33

i had a lad round mine last night when he came to pick other tyres up, he has had them and said they were quite bad in the wet to the point of loosing it round corners in a permanent 4wd landy, he said he would never buy them again, also mentioned a few others experience with them were very similar

personally i dont know, the tracker ii tyre tho was the same in the wet, havnt found the bfg muds that bad copaired to the others in the wet but are defo noisier than at's

Adz · 08-12-2010, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slug32

not a chance

complete sh1t on my T2

Correct inflation, right direction

There far from $hit my friend.!

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeitfit

The noise thing is complete ballox, they're mucho quiet for a mud tyre

Grip wise I've found them better than my Insa special tracks I had before, and seem to keep me up with the BFG mud shod landies with no bother,so there

There were some earlier models of the KLs that didnt wear very well and I think these are often confused in "my mate" tales.
The KL71s weak point that I can see is only when it's proper wet boggy claggy mud, they dont seem to self clean then

but then I wonder what else would

Ian Hunt · 08-12-2010, 21:32

I got my new AT Insa Turbo Rangers fitted today. Obviously not done much driving on them yet but first impressions are good

on a mixture of cleared roads, snow, slush & serious ice.

Muckypup · 09-12-2010, 11:35

A point most have missed so far...

Its not the treads in the centre of the tyre that pull you through snow, its whats around the sides!

A good set of A/T's such as BFG or their Kingpin copy (which i'm running a new set of on the G.C) have big side treads so when the centre treads fill with snow the sides keep you going!
Another bonus of A/Ts over muds is in wet or slushy snow theres more rubber cutting through to the tarmac, giving more grip.

On the other hand I used to love driving un-driven snow covered roads with my sammy. I had Insa Turbo Sahara / Yokohama Geolander tread (they were actually greenway machos) and found that they were unreal for climbing the lightweight suzuki through 2 feet + snow. No way an A/T would have allowed that!

I believe the general belief around most off-road clubs is that aggressive A/Ts make the best all rounder for snow / icy conditions, but if you go extreme you are bound to need extreme tyres

These are what i'm running, and I gotta say they are a bargain for the price!

Also a note from the trade...

In the next few weeks most tyre manufacturers are having a price increase to reflect the international tyre shortage (Kingpin are expected to price themselves out of the market)
Then after Christmas everything is going up 2.5% due to the VAT rise...
So in less than one month tyres are going to bump up in price! Anyone interested in new rubber I recommend getting sorted quick to take advantage of the current lower prices.
If anyone needs help i'm more than happy to assist.

andrewk · 09-12-2010, 12:17

General Grabber AT2s work very well for me in the snow.

Fez_uk · 09-12-2010, 14:37

end of the day every tyre has it's pros and cons.

BongoBerry · 09-12-2010, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

Correct inflation, right direction

There far from $hit my friend.!

unfortunately imho they are close to useless in snow, tar they are fine, laning fine

i have the proof of the pudding outside attached to my terrano

lacroupade · 09-12-2010, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by stana

is that 5mph faster or slower than the speedo reading?

They tend to be out around 10% (under-reading that is!) on average but best checked against a satnav. Its variable and I have had cars, like a Honda HRV VTEC, that was spot-on....the old beemer isn't far out either, always best to check your vehicle yourself.

It means all these T2 owners that think they are getting 26mpg are closer to 23mpg in the real world.....

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08-12-2010, 18:45	#18
BongoBerry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kenley, Surrey Vehicle: Patrol 4.8l & Terrano 2 Posts: 307	noise is not a problem. the complete lack of grip is taking the T2 out this weekend for some snowy laning, will report back

08-12-2010, 18:57	#19
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	The noise thing is complete ballox, they're mucho quiet for a mud tyre Grip wise I've found them better than my Insa special tracks I had before, and seem to keep me up with the BFG mud shod landies with no bother,so there There were some earlier models of the KLs that didnt wear very well and I think these are often confused in "my mate" tales. The KL71s weak point that I can see is only when it's proper wet boggy claggy mud, they dont seem to self clean then but then I wonder what else would

08-12-2010, 19:01	#20
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	well i have bridgestone duellers h/t tyres on ..... they coped very well with the recent snow /ice , and are very quiet on the roads

08-12-2010, 19:01	#21
11redrex Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: East Anglia. Buh. Vehicle: 1997 LWB Maverick 2.7TDi Posts: 1,377	he KL71s weak point that I can see is only when it's proper wet boggy claggy mud, they dont seem to self clean then but then I wonder what else would[quote] kingpin mud trackers.

08-12-2010, 19:23	#22
spinna Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Telford, Shropshire Vehicle: Nissan Patrol y60 4.2d Posts: 1,287	i agree with above im running BFG A/T's on my patrol and found them to be an excellent alrounder

08-12-2010, 19:33	#23
kbekl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Manchester Vehicle: Ford Maverick 2.7 LWB GLX Posts: 1,519	i had a lad round mine last night when he came to pick other tyres up, he has had them and said they were quite bad in the wet to the point of loosing it round corners in a permanent 4wd landy, he said he would never buy them again, also mentioned a few others experience with them were very similar personally i dont know, the tracker ii tyre tho was the same in the wet, havnt found the bfg muds that bad copaired to the others in the wet but are defo noisier than at's

08-12-2010, 21:32	#25
Ian Hunt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Peak District Vehicle: '99 Terrano II SE Touring Posts: 125	I got my new AT Insa Turbo Rangers fitted today. Obviously not done much driving on them yet but first impressions are good on a mixture of cleared roads, snow, slush & serious ice.

09-12-2010, 11:35	#26
Muckypup Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lancs Vehicle: Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0 Posts: 485	A point most have missed so far... Its not the treads in the centre of the tyre that pull you through snow, its whats around the sides! A good set of A/T's such as BFG or their Kingpin copy (which i'm running a new set of on the G.C) have big side treads so when the centre treads fill with snow the sides keep you going! Another bonus of A/Ts over muds is in wet or slushy snow theres more rubber cutting through to the tarmac, giving more grip. On the other hand I used to love driving un-driven snow covered roads with my sammy. I had Insa Turbo Sahara / Yokohama Geolander tread (they were actually greenway machos) and found that they were unreal for climbing the lightweight suzuki through 2 feet + snow. No way an A/T would have allowed that! I believe the general belief around most off-road clubs is that aggressive A/Ts make the best all rounder for snow / icy conditions, but if you go extreme you are bound to need extreme tyres These are what i'm running, and I gotta say they are a bargain for the price! Also a note from the trade... In the next few weeks most tyre manufacturers are having a price increase to reflect the international tyre shortage (Kingpin are expected to price themselves out of the market) Then after Christmas everything is going up 2.5% due to the VAT rise... So in less than one month tyres are going to bump up in price! Anyone interested in new rubber I recommend getting sorted quick to take advantage of the current lower prices. If anyone needs help i'm more than happy to assist.

09-12-2010, 12:17	#27
andrewk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oldham Vehicle: Nissan Patrol Posts: 777	General Grabber AT2s work very well for me in the snow.

09-12-2010, 14:37	#28
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	end of the day every tyre has it's pros and cons.